Leige relationship after being loyal

[tapewormlondon]

This might have already been suggested but I really think that their should be some sort of relationship boost if you actively raise your levies and help your leige in a war - especially if you help him keep his kingdom.

I am a Duke in France and I almost single handedly stopped the king from being overthrown. And he still hates me and just after the war asked to revoke one of my titles! The cheese eating buffoon wouldnt even be my Leige unless I had helped him! Anyway what I thought might work is if you helped your Leige in a war, the game could keep score of your contribution. After the war you would get your contibution as a relationship bonus.

I.e I contributed 20% towards your victory, my leige now has +20 bonus in relations with me.

Thoughts?

 

[ve3609]

+1. Because there is no real reason as a vassal for me to help my liege, I dont help him (unless its by infidels)

 

[NewbieOne]

This might have already been suggested but I really think that their should be some sort of relationship boost if you actively raise your levies and help your leige in a war - especially if you help him keep his kingdom.

I am a Duke in France and I almost single handedly stopped the king from being overthrown. And he still hates me and just after the war asked to revoke one of my titles! The cheese eating buffoon wouldnt even be my Leige unless I had helped him! Anyway what I thought might work is if you helped your Leige in a war, the game could keep score of your contribution. After the war you would get your contibution as a relationship bonus.

I.e I contributed 20% towards your victory, my leige now has +20 bonus in relations with me.

Thoughts?

Definitely, definitely, definitely agree.

This has been raised multiple times. As of now, there seems to be no mechanic or frame for vassals to participate meaningfully in their liege's wars aside from the draft. This isn't incorrect for vassals who don't care but some vassals care. As of now, vassal dukes who are the king's relatives, even siblings or uncles or aunts, can't be actively called to war and this results in just sitting around while a foreign upstart is asserting his claim or some such.

In fact, they will not even defend their holdings with their levies, even though the garrison is theirs (and you do receive a siege loss message as vassal when your liege's opponent captures your holding).

This should change due to the silliness factor.

 

[tapewormlondon]

Definitely, definitely, definitely agree.

This has been raised multiple times. As of now, there seems to be no mechanic or frame for vassals to participate meaningfully in their liege's wars aside from the draft. This isn't incorrect for vassals who don't care but some vassals care. As of now, vassal dukes who are the king's relatives, even siblings or uncles or aunts, can't be actively called to war and this results in just sitting around while a foreign upstart is asserting his claim or some such.

In fact, they will not even defend their holdings with their levies, even though the garrison is theirs (and you do receive a siege loss message as vassal when your liege's opponent captures your holding).

This should change due to the silliness factor.

It would make the dynasty factor of the game much stronger as you explain above. I really hope they implement something like this.

The other thing I hope they do is Pressing claims for awards. "Oh so little courtier, you want me to pres your claim to Castille huh? Fine but I get 2 provinces or you marry my son........" Ok wishfull thinking but hey!

 

[tuareg109]

How about when I, as Duke Morcar of Northumberland, captured Harald Hardrada in battle. I was surprised, seeing as how being a vassal in an invasion war should probably immediately make you an ally of your liege, that the warscore didn't jump to 100% (it stayed at -3%).
Happily, I was able to just execute Hardrada, and the war was over
So how about that, too? A contribution-based relations bonus, and being immediately allied at a certain level of crown authority.
Transfer of prisoners? I just tell King Harold, "Hey bro, I have Hardrada, here he is."
Harold gets Hardrada, warscore is 100%, it ends.

 

[Ruwaard]

If you're loyal towards your liege and help him keeping his throne, then there should be some kind of reward. For instance if you're still a count and your de jure duke rebelled, than you might be a candidate to replace him.

 

[stormblind]

If you're loyal towards your liege and help him keeping his throne, then there should be some kind of reward. For instance if you're still a count and your de jure duke rebelled, than you might be a candidate to replace him.

+10 so, so hard. I sincerely wish this would come into the game; as you literally have no reason to assist a liege at all except to protect yourself.

 

[Kimberly]

If I recall correctly, you get a relationship bonus with the owner of a county if you fight rebels there. That system could just as easily be applied to fighting enemy troops, but giving a bonus to your relationship with the war leader, instead. Then, like others have said, it should be possible for a liege to call individual vassals to become active participants in a war. They can deny or decline based on loyalty, and if they accept, they are just like foreign other allies, controlling their own levies and using them to help you. Vassals that assist their liege this way get a cut of the prestige/money depending on their war contribution, like other allies do.

That would basically fix the system, I think.

 

[grumphie]

yeah, some thing to reward actually staying loyal like influence on hsi decidions would make for a epic dlc. tule the realm in all but name, outmanouver other vassels, and become the de facto ruler of the realm, staying out of shot for things liek prestige penalties for breaking truces and the like, at the risk of losing all that influence because a strong king takes power or the other vassles band together. or just stay loyal to help your leige, and get rewqarded with opinion boosts and spoils formt he war.

 

[Arizal]

Since the beginning, I think there ought to be some way to reward good vassals and to be one. The OP idea makes perfect sense. A liege that you actually saved could be frightened by your power, but he should be thankful.

 

[Lwantssugar]

Case and point: as Doux of Epirus we had lost the initial war with the Seljuks and the Fatimids invaded Anatolia meaning the once mighty Romans had been effectively been brought to our knees by the hilliariously incompetent leadership of the Doukai. The Fatimids up to their usual shennanegans decided "lol lets invade Greece" supposedly to finish us off. Now as some might know the duchy of Epirus is in de jure Greece, ergo with my personal demense at stake and the last stand of Roma immenint I made the move to at least go down fighting and help the Basileous. After the purchase of several mercinaries, lots of sieges and the loss of 3000 gold I forced the Caliph to surrender and Rome was victorious...

You would THINK after such a generous action the Emperor would name me a saint of the Orthodox church at least, but no just the same as it always was. So I repaid him by murdering his children and them himself and inheriting the Empire, which I might add under my control has expanded to Italy, and completely wiped out the Fatimids before restoring the Roman Empire proper

 

[markmid]

Perhaps there can be some unique minor titles handed out for really loyal vassals? Defender of, High, Lord Protector etc, etc.

I would agree with this too. I usually play the opposite way and do everything negative to my liege, to keep giving me opportunities to weaken him, as like you say there is significantly less reward (or rather opportunities) for being positive.

 

[Tempestra]

Transfer of prisoners? I just tell King Harold, "Hey bro, I have Hardrada, here he is."
Harold gets Hardrada, warscore is 100%, it ends.

A transfer of prisoners mechanic would be helpful for a lot of reasons.