Why is this thread still popular? Still getting agrees and disagrees just makes me want to delete my original posts
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Somehow, I don't think that's necessary. It was likely some kind of behind-the-scenes fix where the person in question didn't even think about what it would affect. We definitely don't need to drag someone out to stone them or anything. I just hope this incident helps developers and programmers realize that this is an important, and touchy, topic for people, and should be addressed sooner rather than later.I know; I wish they'd send whoever's fault it is instead.
Holy in which religion?I feel like this is on the modders (to make them interesting). In my mod, I made same-sex concubines give piety per month (since they were considered holy). This is the trade-off for them not being able to produce kids.
Like, we're not asking for same-sex marriage or concubines to be included in the base game, though that would be nice. I feel like it'd be enough for Paradox to allow it to be moddable, and leave it for the modders to make it worthwhile.
It's a topic which a lot of players and modders are interested in and care about that just recently had a change in the possible functionality. Why wouldn't it be popular?Why is this thread still popular?
In a general sense, it's still popular because Paradox hasn't done anything to address the initial concerns -- we're still no closer to being able to mod in gay marriages than we were at the game's launch.Why is this thread still popular? Still getting agrees and disagrees just makes me want to delete my original posts
Have we seen any male male concubine bugs in recent patches that they couldn't figure out how to solve besides doing that?In a general sense, it's still popular because Paradox hasn't done anything to address the initial concerns -- we're still no closer to being able to mod in gay marriages than we were at the game's launch.
In a specific sense, the thread is popular right at this moment because the patch Paradox released yesterday is a major step backwards when it comes to these concerns -- now both same-sex marriage and same-sex concubinage are hardcoded as off-limits to modders. That's got a lot of people paying attention to the issue again, and speaking out about how unhappy they are about it.
Don't know about the person you responded to, but for me the idea is that if you can make custom religions with things like cannibalism or lies being sacred (both not used by any in game faith), one where Homosexuality is celebrated is in the realm of possibilities. At least in my mod, no in game faith started with the doctrine, so it existed to give the player more options when creating new religions.Holy in which religion?
Eh zoros got incest buffs when it was only meant for the elites leaving to a lopsided view of zoros in modern day. Were the example assyrians temple prostitutes? Cuz I know Greeks had that. For womenDon't know about the person you responded to, but for me the idea is that if you can make custom religions with things like cannibalism or lies being sacred (both not used by any in game faith), one where Homosexuality is celebrated is in the realm of possibilities. At least in my mod, no in game faith started with the doctrine, so it existed to give the player more options when creating new religions.
Also while the Assyrian's are definitely way outside the time frame, they believed male-male intercourse gave good fortune (though as life is complicated, they also had limits of who could have gay sex with who). So there is precessidence for the idea of religiously modivated gay sex occurring to at least one group (they even have special prostitutes for this purpose).
Plus there are still fantasy mods which are definitely not bound by historical possibilities.
In my mod at least, I wasn't concerned with historical accuracy. It was part of a tenet that a faith could adopt, though no faiths began the game with the tenet. The same tenet that unlocked same-sex concubines also made them generate piety.Eh zoros got incest buffs when it was only meant for the elites leaving to a lopsided view of zoros in modern day. Were the example assyrians temple prostitutes? Cuz I know Greeks had that. For women
Not as far as I know. I'm not deep into the modding scene, but I'd heard of people making same-sex concubinage mods, and hadn't heard of them having any major trouble.Have we seen any male male concubine bugs in recent patches that they couldn't figure out how to solve besides doing that?
Keep in mind the hard coding could also have been used to resolve a bug that was created due to the new offer concubines interaction, and thus the bug was fixed the problem before we the players ever saw it.Have we seen any male male concubine bugs in recent patches that they couldn't figure out how to solve besides doing that?
So the Assyrians allowed homosexual relations/sex in two instances it seems (at least for men, for women it's less clear), between those of equal social status (as long as they weren't currently on a military campaign) or with a temple prostitute.Eh zoros got incest buffs when it was only meant for the elites leaving to a lopsided view of zoros in modern day. Were the example assyrians temple prostitutes? Cuz I know Greeks had that. For women
FairsIn my mod at least, I wasn't concerned with historical accuracy. It was part of a tenet that a faith could adopt, though no faiths began the game with the tenet. The same tenet that unlocked same-sex concubines also made them generate piety.
Yeah I meant as in in vanilla ck3 there were some concubine bugs noticed so they hardcoded it to stop the bugs happeningKeep in mind the hard coding could also have been used to resolve a bug that was created due to the new offer concubines interaction, and thus the bug was fixed the problem before we the players ever saw it.
So the Assyrians allowed homosexual relations/sex in two instances it seems (at least for men, for women it's less clear), between those of equal social status (as long as they weren't currently on a military campaign) or with a temple prostitute.
Many cultures accepted same sex relations but had no notion of actual marriage between two of the same sex. Marriage is for reproduction during this time period.I second this. I want a samesex marriage option. It's kind of silly you can create a new faith that allows it, but can't actually find partners/concubines of the same gender.
I agree no in game faith should have same-sex marriage, but it's within the scope of what a tenet or doctrine could add. This is because we already have tenets that aren't used by any in game faiths. For instance one can make a religion where lies are considered sacred. As far as I know, no society has ever done that so it's even more out there than same-sex marriage. But I wouldn't say the sacred lies doctrine (and others like it) should be removed from the game as it just gives the player more options when creating their new faith. The same would be true for same-sex marriage. It could be added to the game as an option for players when creating a new faith.Many cultures accepted same sex relations but had no notion of actual marriage between two of the same sex. Marriage is for reproduction during this time period.
Sorry if already said, don't have time to read 20 pages of comments
I would like you to know how incredibly sad this patch made me. I have worked in same-sex concubinage into my modding over the last three months and with this block on its possibility it has effectively trashed the lot. Events, religions, cultures.... over 330 event background pictures etc etc. The thought of reworking the mods to accommodate the changes is probably too daunting to consider.I appreciate the apology, and honestly no hard feelings.
This is an important and personal topic for a lot of people and I get that shooting me as the messenger when I come without the desired answer is easy to do when people are frustrated!
I am gonna try and head off to sleep now since it is midnight and I do have work tomorrow, I’ll check on this thread tomorrow morning though I doubt I will have much else to add than what I’ve already said. We do see you and the frustration, I can’t promise a fix for X given date but it is something we are definitely aware of and do want to change once we get the time.
You can roll back your version of the game.Aternatively is it possible to reinstall the pre-patch version of the game. I would prefer to not use my pre-purchased DLCs rather than my mods.