Leders and monarchs for Bosnia/Croatia &Hungary

[Hrv123]

People youst see list of some countys that will enther EUII and an desaer that monarchs and leders are made in great spirit of IGC
Quote from PARADOX staf

Thats mining coretly and historicly acurate so I call all people who can contribute to sugestion for Bosnian, Croatian ,and Hungarian and perhaps aders BALKAN states leders and monarhs.
I wuld like wee could tetermine who whill be whose leder or monarh
as some L or M where at same time Bos/Cro, HUN/CRO ore iven some HUN/CRO/BOS mixed
So lets make moste acurate and aceptably for all people.
This tetrmination will be neded as wee here are sometimes confused, and leting it ben determin by people noth historcly informed abauth West Balkan history and situation... An L,M caos will prably hapened.

So people donth be shay and sey yor idea
As for myself im going back into my cave to examin ancient books
so I can poste some leders and monars



P.S. noving of acurate spelling is noth neded in here but is welcomed

 

[Hrv123]

ok i did reserch on comonly none leders in Criatia
but still serching for more info as theres cople more more of them

Heres some of them:

Ban Petar Berislavic 1513 - May 20.1520 DIA

Kapetan Petar Kruzic 1524 - March 26.1537 DIA

Kapetan Nikola Jurisic 1530 - 1545
#He sukcsed in defending city Kiseg with 700 solders agenst sige from Suleyman I with 140000 army#

Ban Nikola Subic Zrinski 1542 - September.7.1566 DIA
#He was also none as Knez MIkula # - he is croatian noble and donth dare to put it in yor leder file Hungary
1566 Suleyman I agen start to go on its 6 atemt to take Wien.
This time with army of 100000 and 300 artilery.
Nikola Subic Zrinski was defending fort Siget with 2500 solders. When Suleyman I heard who is defending fort he change its wey
tovard Siget to so he could Quote:
"Make Nikola Pay for some old quarl"
Sige was starting to go on and on for 35 days and all atacks where pushed back.
Suleyman make his word he will take fort or die.More atacs where made but none sukced.
So he make an proposal to Nikola:
"If he surender Suleyman will make him "King of Croatia" at wath Nikola decline heh.
Suleyman sudenly die from old age on September 4. ...
On september 7. fire start in fort...
Nikola make his word there will be no surender so with his last alive solders open fort gates and charge, and die with all of them that day.
From fighting 25000~30000 Ottomans where dead ( actualy this numbers are from Ottoman surces ) at end of sige and with no leder army go back to Turky#

Ban Toma II Erdedy October 26.1584 - 1624
#he won batle for Sisak 1493#

Ban Nikola Zrinski 1647 - November 8.1664 DI"H"
#he was killed by BIG VEPAR(whilde pig) in hunt,or by Habsburg knife, noth certhen exactly#

BAN Petar Zrinski 1668 - April 30.1671 Executed in Wien
#planing with Hungarian nobilty rebel agenst Habsburgs ass there were WERY BIG HATE in HUN and CRO agenst Leopold I and his peace agrement with Ottomans "Vasvarski peace"(in EU language you have 6 stars and then make peace giving yor oponent mony or province !crazy )

Count Fran Krsto Frankopan - April 30.1671 Executed in Wien
#also planing with oders #


uh this are some at this moment

and


More is coming!!!

 

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Pravo da ti kazem mislim da niko nije razumeo ono sto si napisao...
Zar ne mozes naci nekog da ti proveri pravopis?

OK, now I'll try to make an attempt to prove that some leaders Hrv123 mentioned should be on the Hungarian list. It is true that every one of them were Croatians by nationality, but that didn't matter during those times. Napoleon was Italian by nationality, and still he's celebrated as one of the greates Frenchmen.

I don't know who Nikola Jurisic was, but Zrinyi Miklos (Nikola Zrinjski by Hrv123) is just so important for Hungarian history that he cannot be separated from Hungary. He did lead the defence of the fort of Szigetvar when Suleyman I besieged it and died (his closes friends put the deciesed Suleyman on the throne so that the soldiers would believe he's alive and wouldn't stop the siege).
His son, also called Zrinyi Miklos is one of the most important writers of this time. He wrote a book (Szigeti veszedelem) that is important for Hungarians as much as Shakespeare's dramas for the English. He was also a succesfull general, but after his plot to dethrone the Habsbourgs he was executed.

Toma II Erdedy did defend Sisak (Sziszek), but the Turks were so angry because of this that they started the Fifteen Years war, capturing most of central Hungary.

Now I'll translate the monarch listing from what is found in EU to what SHOULD BE in EU2:

name = "Ulászló II"
startdate = { year = 1490 }
enddate = { year = 1516 }

name = "Lajos II"
startdate = { year = 1516 }
enddate = { year = 1526 }

name = "Szapolyai János"
startdate = { year = 1526 }
enddate = { year = 1540 }

name = "Ferdinánd I"
startdate = { year = 1540 }
enddate = { year = 1563 }

name = "Miksa"
startdate = { year = 1563 }
enddate = { year = 1575 }

name = "Rudolf I"
startdate = { year = 1575 }
enddate = { year = 1592 }

name = "Báthory Zsigmond"
startdate = { year = 1592 }
enddate = { year = 1606 }

name = "Mátyás II"
startdate = { year = 1606 }
enddate = { year = 1612 }

name = "Bethlen Gábor"
startdate = { year = 1612 }
enddate = { year = 1629 }

name = "Rákóczi Ferenc I"
startdate = { year = 1629 }
enddate = { year = 1648 }

name = "Rákóczi Ferenc II"
startdate = { year = 1648 }
enddate = { year = 1660 }

name = "Lipót I"
startdate = { year = 1658 }
enddate = { year = 1677 }

name = "Thököly"
startdate = { year = 1677 }
enddate = { year = 1698 }

name = "József I"
startdate = { year = 1698 }
enddate = { year = 1710 }

name = "Károly III"
startdate = { year = 1710 }
enddate = { year = 1739 }

name = "Mária Terézia"
startdate = { year = 1739 }
enddate = { year = 1779 }

name = "József II"
startdate = { year = 1779 }
enddate = { year = 1789 }

name = "Lipót II"
startdate = { year = 1789 }
enddate = { year = 1791 }

name = "Ferenc I"
startdate = { year = 1791 }
enddate = { year = 1835 }

Hope all characters can be viewed. If not then use a Central-European encoding...
Also, this list is not correct
There were Habsbourg monarchs in western Hungary, and there were elected dukes in Transylvania. For example, Bathory, Bethlen or Thokoly were Transylvanian dukes, the rest of Hungary was ruled by the Habsbourgs. I guess Paradox put in these dukes only because they were more important than the rest (also, Bethlen and Thokoly captured (for a short time) most of Habsbourg-Hungary)...

 

[Sputnik]

Originally posted by juszuf7
Pravo da ti kazem mislim da niko nije razumeo ono sto si napisao...
Zar ne mozes naci nekog da ti proveri pravopis?

Zar ne vidis da se covek zeza?

OK, now I'll try to make an attempt to prove that some leaders Hrv123 mentioned should be on the Hungarian list. It is true that every one of them were Croatians by nationality, but that didn't matter during those times. Napoleon was Italian by nationality, and still he's celebrated as one of the greates Frenchmen.

I don't know who Nikola Jurisic was, but Zrinyi Miklos (Nikola Zrinjski by Hrv123) is just so important for Hungarian history that he cannot be separated from Hungary. He did lead the defence of the fort of Szigetvar when Suleyman I besieged it and died (his closes friends put the deciesed Suleyman on the throne so that the soldiers would believe he's alive and wouldn't stop the siege).
His son, also called Zrinyi Miklos is one of the most important writers of this time. He wrote a book (Szigeti veszedelem) that is important for Hungarians as much as Shakespeare's dramas for the English. He was also a succesfull general, but after his plot to dethrone the Habsbourgs he was executed.

Toma II Erdedy did defend Sisak (Sziszek), but the Turks were so angry because of this that they started the Fifteen Years war, capturing most of central Hungary.

Now I'll translate the monarch listing from what is found in EU to what SHOULD BE in EU2:

name = "Ulászló II"
startdate = { year = 1490 }
enddate = { year = 1516 }

name = "Lajos II"
startdate = { year = 1516 }
enddate = { year = 1526 }

name = "Szapolyai János"
startdate = { year = 1526 }
enddate = { year = 1540 }

name = "Ferdinánd I"
startdate = { year = 1540 }
enddate = { year = 1563 }

name = "Miksa"
startdate = { year = 1563 }
enddate = { year = 1575 }

name = "Rudolf I"
startdate = { year = 1575 }
enddate = { year = 1592 }

name = "Báthory Zsigmond"
startdate = { year = 1592 }
enddate = { year = 1606 }

name = "Mátyás II"
startdate = { year = 1606 }
enddate = { year = 1612 }

name = "Bethlen Gábor"
startdate = { year = 1612 }
enddate = { year = 1629 }

name = "Rákóczi Ferenc I"
startdate = { year = 1629 }
enddate = { year = 1648 }

name = "Rákóczi Ferenc II"
startdate = { year = 1648 }
enddate = { year = 1660 }

name = "Lipót I"
startdate = { year = 1658 }
enddate = { year = 1677 }

name = "Thököly"
startdate = { year = 1677 }
enddate = { year = 1698 }

name = "József I"
startdate = { year = 1698 }
enddate = { year = 1710 }

name = "Károly III"
startdate = { year = 1710 }
enddate = { year = 1739 }

name = "Mária Terézia"
startdate = { year = 1739 }
enddate = { year = 1779 }

name = "József II"
startdate = { year = 1779 }
enddate = { year = 1789 }

name = "Lipót II"
startdate = { year = 1789 }
enddate = { year = 1791 }

name = "Ferenc I"
startdate = { year = 1791 }
enddate = { year = 1835 }

Hope all characters can be viewed. If not then use a Central-European encoding...
Also, this list is not correct
There were Habsbourg monarchs in western Hungary, and there were elected dukes in Transylvania. For example, Bathory, Bethlen or Thokoly were Transylvanian dukes, the rest of Hungary was ruled by the Habsbourgs. I guess Paradox put in these dukes only because they were more important than the rest (also, Bethlen and Thokoly captured (for a short time) most of Habsbourg-Hungary)...

Even if this is true, I don’t see why can’t mentioned leader be on both Croatian and Hungarian leaders? You can frequently see the same guys in Spanish and Austrian army, I was playing Russia and my general Michael. Glinski was fighting Polish army under their Michael Glinski (the same guy, I checked the leader file).
It is little strange, but that’s how EU works for now.

 

[Hrv123]

znam to me ogrnicava u diskusijama ahhhhhh
Jel znas neki program za skinut za spelling ??


Actualy this is one of resons why I put this in opened for discusion

I no that Zrinyi/Zrinski famly was importhant for Hungary. But that much didnth no...

As for Croatia
Family Zrinski was the bigest and the moste important noble family defender of Croatia as name and as state and as a an politicl factor.
Zrinyi/Zrinski famly is so importhant for Croatia at period of 15/16 ct that its imposible ass I see to give them to Hungary.
Zrinski family were Ban of Croatia and Slavonia moste friqvently in this period so they will be monarh/bans/dux or wathewer in Monarchs.cro file.
Posbilty that they are rulers of Croatia( bans ) , and Hungarian/Croatia leders could be a bit tu much for EUII game engine.


The best fing for Zrinyi/Zrinski as leders if EUII wold be perhaps
Leders.cro have them on Croatian names ( Zrinski )and Leders.hun file under Hungarian name ( Zrinyi )...
And Im shure they were newer rulers of hungary.... actualy can you tell what did they owned as posesion in Hungary then ?

Sory for That result of Sisak battle
but Ottomans where agresor all this time, perhaps would be bether to sey Bosnians (Bosnian leders becomed all sunni and Bosna become part of Ottoman state) was at all time war with Croatia.

Fights from until 1699 could be called "TOTAL WAR" time period where peace agrementh didnth ment much in border region.

And who is that Johan Zapolja in EU Hun monarch file ??

and monarchs in period 1419 - 1490 shuld be???

 

[Hrv123]

Abauth Zrinski from croatia standing
check this

http://lightning.prohosting.com/~hrvati/hr/ratnici/nz.html



Yes dual leders shuld perhaps be the moste simpler solution...
exept if Nikola Subic Zrinski if fighting agenst Zrnyi hehe

 

[Hrv123]

Perhaps mony contributions from Spain,Papal state and France would also be given to Zrnyi and Zrinski

 

[Sputnik]

Originally posted by Hrv123
znam to me ogrnicava u diskusijama ahhhhhh
Jel znas neki program za skinut za spelling ??

Hmmm, mislio sam da namerno onako pises. Ali dobro napisi poruku u Word-u, proveri spelling (pritisni F7) i onda uradi copy&paste

 

[Hrv123]

ok did some more work


hmmmm dates of all monarchs shuld be corected so there is continium in ruling
As for bans.. they shuld be all leders and monarhs at same time as they actualy was

ok here is updete wath I did get till this moment
Croatian leders

there shuld be some leder before 1513 but I didnth heard or read fory sombody special still.


*Ban Petar Berilavic 1513 - May 20.1520
*Kapetan Petar Kruzic 1524 - March 26.1537
*Kapetan Nikola Jurisic 1530 - 1545
*Ban Nikola Subic Zrinski 1542 - September.7.1566
*Ban Toma II Erdedy October 26.1584 - 1624
*Ban Nikola Zrinski 1647 - November 8.1664
*Ban Petar Zrinski 1668 - April 30.1671 Executed in Wien
*Grof Fran Krsto Frankopan 1666 - April 30.1671 Executed in wien

BARUN TRENK al jos o njemu nisam nasao nista konkretno oko datuma


Croatian Monarchs (Bans)

The list is BIG so I still have to separet witch Bans of Slavonia and Bans of Croatia
shuld go thogeder as Some times they was same and some times noth same person.

...Hope when I frst timne start to play EUII 1419 wonth see some suprise as
Slavonia as free state in EUII
or iven giving it to Hungary....



Bosnian leders of christian Bosnia Kings/leders

1419. - 1421. Kralj Stjepan Ostojic
1421. - 1443. Kralj Stjepan Tvrtko II.
1444. - 1461. Kralj Stjepan Tomas
1461. - 1463. Kralj Stjepan Tomasevic
1419. - ????. Herceg Hrvoje Vukcic ?- Dux of Split at start? hope noth
14??. - 1482. Herceg Stjepan Vukcic -Hercegovina as province or state?


Bosnian Monarhs
This some I got of christian Bosnia Kings/leders and

1419. - 1421. Kralj Stjepan Ostojic
1421. - 1443. Kralj Stjepan Tvrtko II.
1444. - 1461. Kralj Stjepan Tomas
1461. - 1463. Kralj Stjepan Tomasevic

will work on sunni bosnia..

heh wath would be names of Bosnia leders and monarhs if Bosna is noth annexed by Ottomans
heh .....

Ad for Hungary, if its noth annexed with HAB/Austria 1526 wath with monarhs leders later on
???? using austrian as in IGC is litle to strange for me..
any sugestions ?



Are you shure sputnik im noth

 

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okay, i'm writing this to hrv123 , so i'm going to write it in bosnian/croatian/serbian, so nobody should get upset

hrv123, kralj si sto se tice pisanja engleskog, treba mi uvjek dvadeset minuta razmisljanja da bih razumijo sta hoces da kazes ali nema veze, to netreba da te sputava ko hoce da te razumije moze te razumjeti ...


ja sam vec poslao listu bosanskih kraljeva, pogledaj forum pod

Public forums > Scenario forum > Help for Greven: Resources.

tu trebas da posaljes listu hrvatskih kraljeva a ne ovdje.

 

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ako pogledate pod

Public forums > Scenario forum > Help for Greven: Resources

vidicete da sam ja postavio pitanje slicno onom koje vi postavljate o Zrinjskom.

Moje pitanje je bilo sta ce se desiti ako Osmanlije nisu osvojile Bosnu, a dosla je godina 1546 kad je Mehmet Pasa Sokolovic postao Osmanlijski vizir. Da li ce

a) Osmanlije dobiti Sokolovica u svakom slucaju ?
b) Bosna dobiti njega
c) Nesta se nece desiti, on nikad nije dosao na vlast.

 

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OK, I agree these generals should be on both sides, Croatian and Hungarian. And I guess it doesn't matter if in a Cro-hun war Zrinyi fights Zrinjski, as this happened many times with Hab versus Spa etc.

Originally posted by Hrv123

And Im shure they were newer rulers of hungary.... actualy can you tell what did they owned as posesion in Hungary then ?

Um, I think the first Zrinyi was captain of Western hungary, in EU called Odenburg.

Sory for That result of Sisak battle

Hehe, I don't blame Toma for defending Sisak, I just remembered his name cause the Fifteen Years war was the most destructive so I studied it a bit more

And who is that Johan Zapolja in EU Hun monarch file ??

Szapolyai Janos was a joke of a monarch. He's friends called him, um.. Matilda if I remember, because he had a girlish voice
After the battle of Mohacs he was the most powerful noble in the country, so he was elected king. People thought he will save Hungary just like Hunyadi Janos a century before, but he had no military skills. So anyway, the Habsbourgs occupied the western parts of the country (in EU the 3 disputed provinces), and Szapolyai asked for TURKISH help. So the Turks came, defeated the Austrians and conquered central Hungary. Szapolyai then withdrawed to Transylvania and I think it was his fault the country fell apart for 150 years.

and monarchs in period 1419 - 1490 shuld be??? [/B]

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Will post them as soon as I find my book... I know there are Zsigmond, who was also HRE, Laszlo and Matyas... but I think there are some other less important kings too...

 

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Originally posted by emir

a) Osmanlije dobiti Sokolovica u svakom slucaju ?
b) Bosna dobiti njega
c) Nesta se nece desiti, on nikad nije dosao na vlast.

Mislim da to nema veze. Uzecu opet primer Spanije i Austrije. Ako istrebis Spance jos uvek mozes dobiti njihove generale kao Austrijanac...

 

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Originally posted by juszuf7
OK, I agree these generals should be on both sides, Croatian and Hungarian. And I guess it doesn't matter if in a Cro-hun war Zrinyi fights Zrinjski, as this happened many times with Hab versus Spa etc.



Um, I think the first Zrinyi was captain of Western hungary, in EU called Odenburg.



Hehe, I don't blame Toma for defending Sisak, I just remembered his name cause the Fifteen Years war was the most destructive so I studied it a bit more



Szapolyai Janos was a joke of a monarch. He's friends called him, um.. Matilda if I remember, because he had a girlish voice
After the battle of Mohacs he was the most powerful noble in the country, so he was elected king. People thought he will save Hungary just like Hunyadi Janos a century before, but he had no military skills. So anyway, the Habsbourgs occupied the western parts of the country (in EU the 3 disputed provinces), and Szapolyai asked for TURKISH help. So the Turks came, defeated the Austrians and conquered central Hungary. Szapolyai then withdrawed to Transylvania and I think it was his fault the country fell apart for 150 years.

Will post them as soon as I find my book... I know there are Zsigmond, who was also HRE, Laszlo and Matyas... but I think there are some other less important kings too... [/QUOTE]

Let's not forget Hapsburg Albert (1438-40) and Janos Hunyadi as governor(42-48 I think but I'm really not sure) should deserve a honourable mention. (BTW no Walachia will not get the Hunyadies no way )

 

[Hrv123]

I will give full list of Cro mon/led to that post when its done.
And have agred with all people here its axceptable for reletions with
cro/Hun and Hun,cro & Bih

And I got information there was an rebelion in Cro agenst "Marija" as new Hun quin,and leter on Hrvoje Vukcic yoin it and save rebelion forces fore some time but was leter on (1418 or 1419) defetet together with Cro rebelas from Hungary...
Dond no wath hapened with his Dux of Split...
Split and other costal citys where taken by Venice
But for inland Dux of Split was all its way up to Banja Luka, so was this teritory taken by Croatia or Hungary or Bosnia or Ottomans
noth shure... alauth it loks like evrbady get a pice of it .....
And wath with all that sunni Bosnia leders....
Will Bosnia pe posibly leter sunni rebel state or chatolic? ore boath
Noth ortodox fore shure!


I will be off line for 3 or 4 days and I hope Then I will post full list of Cro mon/led here...