Leaving your chancellor on the county you already fabricated a claim on.

[sdijkens]

When you put your chancellor on a county and fabricate a claim for it and then leave your chancellor on the county the tooltip still says xx% to fabricate claim. Now i was wondering does this mean that once you got the county claim with a yearly 19.38% chance that you afterwards have the same 19.38% chance? Or is this percentage still reduced (by *0.3 with a 20dip chancellor) since duchy claims have lower chance to happen. (i heard around 30% chance for duchy and 70% for county on a 20+ chancellor).

 

[ragnarok246]

Yes it's the same ~20% chance to get a county claim and 30% chance for that to be a duchy claim. Nothing changes if you already have a claim on that county except you won't see the successful county claims, you'll only be notified when it was turned into a duchy claim.

See: CK2\events\job_chancellor.txt

 

[sdijkens]

Yes it's the same ~20% chance to get a county claim and 30% chance for that to be a duchy claim. Nothing changes if you already have a claim on that county except you won't see the successful county claims, you'll only be notified when it was turned into a duchy claim.

See: CK2\events\job_chancellor.txt

Ok so, that means its ~20% chance * 0.3 for a duchy to trigger and not ~20% for a duchy claim trigger like the tooltip is indicating, meaning that you'll get less events triggering once you have the county claim?

 

[ragnarok246]

All successful claims have a fixed chance to be duchy claims

Rulers that already have a county claim for the target province will only receive duchy claims (note that the same rules for successful duchy claim creation still apply for this case).

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Chancellor#Abilities

 

[sdijkens]

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Chancellor#Abilities

Yes I know that, the bit that throws me off tho is "note that the same rules for successful duchy claim creation still apply for this case" vs. the tooltip in-game.
The only way i can imagine how it works if that statement on that site and the tooltip are correct is: with a 20 diplomacy chancellor you have ~20% chance per year for a claim event to trigger (tooltip), but since that event has a 70% chance to be a county claim it has 70% chance to not trigger after it has triggered (on the ~20%) if that makes sense. This way the tooltip of 19,38% chance would still be true. Even though you won't see it firing 70% of the times it does.

Kind of like you explain in your first post.

Yes it's the same ~20% chance to get a county claim and 30% chance for that to be a duchy claim. Nothing changes if you already have a claim on that county except you won't see the successful county claims, you'll only be notified when it was turned into a duchy claim.

See: CK2\events\job_chancellor.txt

They happen (hence the 19,38% tooltip) but you just dont "see" them because you already have them right?
Meaning that in the end you "actually" only have 19,38*0.3 chance of "seeing" an event.

 

[ragnarok246]

They happen (hence the 19,38% tooltip) but you just dont "see" them because you already have them right?

This is correct. The event fires silently and doesn't bother you unless it's turned into a duchy claim.

Meaning that in the end you "actually" only have 19,38*0.3 chance of "seeing" an event.

30% chance per county claim event is reasonable. The RNG in getting the county claim can be annoying though, and worse if you can't see it due to already having a claim on the county, and not knowing if your chancellor is actually doing anything, or slacking off in a tavern at the Duke's invitation.

If you want the duchy more than the county, don't accept the county claim, so at least you'll still see the events firing, and gain some piety

And always reassign your chancellor on cooldown, to reset any bribes he's taken. If you get the event where your chancellor is about to be murdered, replace him with a hated vassal - dunno if this still works

 

[JonathanOfArc]

I came in here thinking I knew where things were going but now I'm confused. I try not to go to crazy with fabricating claims, but know exactly how it functions is probably a good idea.

So, if what I'm looking for is a duchy claim I should not accept county claims? This give me a higher chance to getting the duchy claim?

If my chancellor gets a county claim, I should call them back, and then place them again to reset them. If I put them in the county I got a claim in, I always figured they would next go for a duchy claim. Is that right? Or should I put them somewhere else?

 

[ragnarok246]

So, if what I'm looking for is a duchy claim I should not accept county claims? This give me a higher chance to getting the duchy claim?

It's up to you whether to accept the county claim or not. The chances of a duchy claim remain the same in either scenario. It's just that if you already have a claim on the county, you'll no longer see the event fire unless it's a successful duchy claim, so if you ignore the county claim, you'll still see the county claim events firing and know that your chancellor is actually doing something. My preference if I specifically wanted the duchy would be to reject the county claims.

If my chancellor gets a county claim, I should call them back, and then place them again to reset them. If I put them in the county I got a claim in, I always figured they would next go for a duchy claim. Is that right? Or should I put them somewhere else?

If he gets bribed while fabricating, leaving him on one province until he's successful is a very bad plan. Hence you should reassign him frequently. Even if it's to the same province, it should reset any bribes he took. My preference would be to move him to another county within the duchy on each 180 day cooldown.

 

[Arumba]

A useful trick you can use is that as long as it has been 6 months since giving your chancellor the fabricate claims mission, he can be moved while the successful claim popup is up in order to change the location of the fabricated claim. So move him around after every county claim (to maximize his chance for county claims), and then if he succeeds in a duchy claim, move him to the target duchy you really want before accepting the successful claim popup. Then you will earn your duchy claim on your true target. This is far superior to just letting him sit in one place for years and years hoping for a duchy claim (and missing out on all the successful county claims).

*Edit. Also, if it *hasn't* been 6 months since the mission was assigned and you still need to relocate him, just hire someone else and appoint them to the location instead. The claim will still work regardless of his skill, because once the event is popped up the outcome is set. The only thing that happens when you click to pay the cost is that it reads the location of your chancellor. Who he is, or where he was when you succeeded doesn't matter.

 

[JonathanOfArc]

*Edit. Also, if it *hasn't* been 6 months since the mission was assigned and you still need to relocate him, just hire someone else and appoint them to the location instead. The claim will still work regardless of his skill, because once the event is popped up the outcome is set. The only thing that happens when you click to pay the cost is that it reads the location of your chancellor. Who he is, or where he was when you succeeded doesn't matter.

Whoa, definitely didn't know that. You can switch council members position within the council to have them instantly back from a mission. That'd make the move even smoother since you're not making anyone upset by kicking them off the council. I try not to abuse that, but it's saved me some unnecessary councilor grief.