Leadermodifications for 1.06

[JRaup]

Originally posted by birch23
The only problem in Frodon's suggestion is that it will still leave quite a no.of SS and pro regime generals within the file.von Rundstedt was like Manstein a.o.they had severe trouble personally morally to support a coup because it meant going back on their oath.

Canaris opposed Hitler from day 1,but he preferred to play hiw own little game.He commited high treason when he warned Sas (Holland) about the upcoming invasion,and the same with Lunding (Denmark).It is one of the greater mysteries of the Reich why he wasn't removed way before 20th.July.There were replacements enough. (Schellenberg to mention one)

I do see the point about having do many SS and pro-regime leaders left. That said, many of them were merely opportunists of the first order, and not so loyal as may be supposed. Speer would be the prime example of this. They'll back the winner, and betray who they have to to remain in their positions. Both Manstein and Von Rundstadt, while not actively supporting a coup, would in fact do so by not reacting to it. That is, keeping everything focused on their front against the enemy at hand. In any outcome, the army goes with its most respected leaders, which by 1944 are Von Rundstadt and Manstein. Beck, Von Witleben, et al, were for the most part, out of touch with the army, having been removed from command 2-3 years prior to the 44 attempt. This is evidenced by Beck being ignored when he showed up at GHQ giving orders, which were promptly ignored.

As for Canaris, Hitler found him a useful foil against Himmler (and primarily Heydrich). The Abwher-SD fights were legendary in their territorial disputes. the relationship between Himmler/Heydrich, and Canaris (as well as Raeder), were useful to Hitler in the way it distracted them from doing anything else but fending off the others. It kept Hitler's potential rivals at each other, rather than at him.

 

[Dibo]

Re: Dibo

Originally posted by birch23
Dibo.have you found some minor Russians for Tannu yet?

and/or the pics of those HEoI I still have waiting on the line...

and where do you see the stamp mark on the propaganda?----I might be growing blind on my old days....

No problem with the minor Russians - will sent them Monday or Tuesday Pictures of minor Russian officers are easy to come by. How many do you want?

"and/or the pics of those HEoI I still have waiting on the line..."
??? - I don't get that

I'have found some mongolians, but unfortunately the libraries here in Sofia are closed during August, so we should wait till September 1st in order to scan them.
As for the Tannu Tuvians, I have sent emails in Russian and English to their government, media, etc. with a request for help - so far nothing however

As for the propaganda - I've downloaded the Vulture pack again - and the black marks on the Bulgarian propaganda are clearly visible on the left Please send him my edited version - there the black mark is almost gone. Come on, am I the only one that sees the black mark?

 

[birch23]

Originally posted by JRaup
I do see the point about having do many SS and pro-regime leaders left. That said, many of them were merely opportunists of the first order, and not so loyal as may be supposed. Speer would be the prime example of this. They'll back the winner, and betray who they have to to remain in their positions. Both Manstein and Von Rundstadt, while not actively supporting a coup, would in fact do so by not reacting to it. That is, keeping everything focused on their front against the enemy at hand. In any outcome, the army goes with its most respected leaders, which by 1944 are Von Rundstadt and Manstein. Beck, Von Witleben, et al, were for the most part, out of touch with the army, having been removed from command 2-3 years prior to the 44 attempt. This is evidenced by Beck being ignored when he showed up at GHQ giving orders, which were promptly ignored.

As for Canaris, Hitler found him a useful foil against Himmler (and primarily Heydrich). The Abwher-SD fights were legendary in their territorial disputes. the relationship between Himmler/Heydrich, and Canaris (as well as Raeder), were useful to Hitler in the way it distracted them from doing anything else but fending off the others. It kept Hitler's potential rivals at each other, rather than at him.

Actually Beck didn't show up at GHQ,they took over the home Army HQ,at that time led by Fromm,who probably knew about the plans,but protested so much when he couldn't get eveidence that the Führer was dead,so the conspirators arrested him,but forgot to lock the door!!!!!!.When the evidence came that Hitler was not dead,Fromm simply took over to save his own neck (which he didn't)and he started to execute the conspirators again to save his own neck,This was however stopped when Skorzeny arrived at the scene.So Fromm to was executed later.

Yes there was so much fight between Abwehr and SD that thay had no time to spy... Neither Canaris or Himmler could however have been seen as rivals to the Führer.Himmler knew deep down that he could never get the support of the people or army,and Hitler knew that too.Canaris was not known by anybody outside the inner circles---a very secretive man---.Heydrich might have been the only rival to Hitler,but I actually doubt if that was what he aimed at.Göring could have been the peoples choice (he was popular)but he was so drugged or drunk that he never was a threath to Hitler.....as for the rest not a chanche in a lifetime.

 

[birch23]

Re: Re: Dibo

Originally posted by Dibo
No problem with the minor Russians - will sent them Monday or Tuesday Pictures of minor Russian officers are easy to come by. How many do you want?

"and/or the pics of those HEoI I still have waiting on the line..."
??? - I don't get that

I'have found some mongolians, but unfortunately the libraries here in Sofia are closed during August, so we should wait till September 1st in order to scan them.
As for the Tannu Tuvians, I have sent emails in Russian and English to their government, media, etc. with a request for help - so far nothing however

As for the propaganda - I've downloaded the Vulture pack again - and the black marks on the Bulgarian propaganda are clearly visible on the left Please send him my edited version - there the black mark is almost gone. Come on, am I the only one that sees the black mark?

I'll say about 10 or 12 minor officers,no air I have those.Just for the sake of it 6 minor naval officers(captains or commodores)

oh I was referring to the list of Head of Military Intelligence you sent me,You hadn't any pics of those guys ( I haven't looked either)

GREAT I thought we would in trouble with the Mongolians,we can glady wait till September.

Gee..you must have sharp eyes...I had to 4double the size to see those small black spots.I will remove them...because I'm afraid I threw yours out because I thought it was mine... sorryyyyy

 

[brandnew70x7]

I have a stamp from WWII with Bulgarian soldiers lined up on it, if I could find a picture on the net it might work..

 

[birch23]

Bhutan updated with 2 pics and closed again.Nepal Closed with 8 pics. and sent along with revised Australia....and Austria did I mention that???

 

[birch23]

Originally posted by Burris
I have a stamp from WWII with Bulgarian soldiers lined up on it, if I could find a picture on the net it might work..

Don't you think it is the same as Dibo has found..You can see it in the propaganda pack.?

 

[Dibo]

Re: Re: Re: Dibo

Originally posted by birch23

Gee..you must have sharp eyes...I had to 4double the size to see those small black spots.I will remove them...because I'm afraid I threw yours out because I thought it was mine... sorryyyyy

Actually they are not small at all
I have sent you the revised stamp

 

[Dibo]

Originally posted by Burris
I have a stamp from WWII with Bulgarian soldiers lined up on it, if I could find a picture on the net it might work..

Sounds intriguing
Can you post it or sent it to me?

 

[brandnew70x7]

It turns out Muhammad Daud did NOT become war minister till 1950. So Shah Mahmud Ghazi should have the roles Daud does, and have Daud as a replacement (I do think theres a little too many replacements for ministers, there shouldn't be that many, maybe not even none for most roles (Except Foreign Minister having that guy I told you).

BTW, according to the book "Afghanistan's Foreign Policy in the Mid Twentieth Century" Shah Wali Khan was a Field Marshall.

 

[Vulture]

Ok here's the edited event... If you think names should be added/removed, let me know...

I'll prolly do something for the failed assassination as well

#########################################################################
#  Hitler has been assasinated!
#########################################################################
event = {
	id = 2025
	random = no
	country = GER

	trigger = {
		government = fascist
		minister = 1 # AH alive
		dissent = 25
		random = 5
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				event = 2025
				event = 2026
			}
		}
	}

	name = "EVT_2025_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_2025_DESC"
	style = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1944 }
	offset = 7 # Check for trigger conditions every seven days
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1945 }

	action_a = {
		name = "OK" #
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 1 } # Adolf Hitler
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 2 } # Adolf Hitler
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 100 } # Adolf Hitler

		#Ministers likely to be killed or being forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 10 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 41 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 50 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 58 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 58 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 42 } # Heinrich Himmler
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 69 } # Heinrich Himmler
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 43 } # Karl Dönitz
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 103 } # Karl Dönitz
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 45 } # Joseph Goebbels
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 51 } # Joseph Goebbels
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 74 } # Joseph Goebbels
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 52 } # Alfred Rosenberg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 53 } # Arthur Seyss-Inquart
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 79 } # Arthur Seyss-Inquart
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 57 } # Friedrich Flick
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 59 } # Walter Funk
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 60 } # Fritz Todt
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 61 } # Hans-Georg von Friedeburg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 83 } # Hans-Georg von Friedeburg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 104 } # Hans-Georg von Friedeburg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 63 } # Kurt Daluege
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 85 } # Ernst Kaltenbrunner
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 89 } # Wilhelm Keitel
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 93 } # Kurt Zeitzler
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 95 } # Heinz Guderian
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 99 } # Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 102 } # Ferdinand Schörner
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 105 } # Hugo Sperrle
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 106 } # Albert Kesselring
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 107 } # Eberhard Milch
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 108 } # Robert Ritter von Greim

		# Heer generals likely to be killed or forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 146 } # Wilhelm Keitel
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 343 } # Kurt Zeitzler
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 232 } # Ferdinand Schörner
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 19 } # Gunther Blumentritt
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 24 } # Erich Brandenberger
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 26 } # Bruno Bräuer
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 39 } # de Angelis
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 80 } # Geyr von Schweppenburg
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 89 } # Heinz Guderian
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 111 } # Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 148 } # Albert Kesselring
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 209 } # Alexander Ratcliffe
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 212 } # Otto-Ernst Remer
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 234 } # Walther Seydlitz-Kurzback
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 243 } # Kurt Student
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 267 } # von Brockdorff-Ahlefeldt
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 268 } # von Choltitz
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 293 } # Meinrad von Lauchert
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 295 } # Karl von le Suire
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 300 } # Eberhard von Mackensen
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 311 } # Walther von Reichenau
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 327 } # Maximilian von Weichs zu Glon
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 44 } # Eduard Dietl

		# Kriegsmarine admirals likely to be killed or forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 364 } # Karl Dönitz
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 396 } # Hans-Georg von Friedeburg
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 371 } # Harald Kienast
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 372 } # Gustav Kieseritzky
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 395 } # Lothar von Arnauld de la Perière (died in 1941)

		# Luftwaffe generals likely to be killed or forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 423 } # Albert Kesselring
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 440 } # Hugo Sperrle
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 445 } # Robert Ritter von Greim
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 414 } # Hermann Göring
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 403 } # Rudolf Bogatsch
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 409 } # Dessloch
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 411 } # Helmuth Felmy
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 412 } # Adolf Galland
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 419 } # Hans Jeschonnek
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 422 } # Alfred Keller
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 428 } # Eberhard Milch
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 434 } # Richard Putzier
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 435 } # Hans-Ulrich Rudel
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 443 } # Ernest Udet
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 449 } # Wolfram von Richthofen
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 453 } # Walther Wever
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 454 } # Wilhelm Wimmer

		# Waffen-SS Führers likely to be killed or forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 475 } # Heinrich Himmler
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 457 } # Friedrich Alpers
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 465 } # Karl-Maria Demelhuber
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 466 } # Josef 'Sepp' Dietrich
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 467 } # Theodor Eicke
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 468 } # Hermann Fegelein
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 470 } # Herbert-Otto Gille
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 481 } # Fritz Krämer
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 484 } # Heinz Lammerding
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 492 } # Erwin Rösener
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 499 } # Felix Steiner
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 458 } # Franz Augsberger
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 459 } # Carl Becker
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 463 } # Karl-Heinrich Brenner
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 464 } # Lothar Debes
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 469 } # Josef Fitzhum
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 477 } # Richard Jungclaus
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 479 } # Matthias Kleinheisterkamp
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 483 } # Otto Kumm
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 485 } # Gustav Lombard
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 487 } # Wilhelm Mohnke
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 489 } # Jochen Peiper
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 490 } # Priess
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 494 } # Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 496 } # Max Simon
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 497 } # Otto Skorzeny
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 501 } # Trabandt
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 502 } # Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 504 } # Ewald von Massow
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 507 } # Karl von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 509 } # Theodor Wisch
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 548 } # Gunther Wisliceny

		# Adopted Austrian/Hungarian/Romanian/Other generals likely to be killed or forced to resign
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 515 } # Karl Britzelmayr
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 519 } # Ferenc Feketehalmy-Czeydner
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 520 } # Valentin Feurstein
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 521 } # Edmund Glaise-Horstenau
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 522 } # Grassy
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 527 } # Anton Kienbauer
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 529 } # Johann Kubena
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 531 } # Alexander Löhr
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 532 } # Materna
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 536 } # Lothar Rendulic
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 544 } # von Hubicki

		command = { type = dissent value = 15 }
		command = { type = headofstate which = 11 }
		command = { type = headofgovernment which = 12 }
		command = { type = foreignminister which = 13 }
		command = { type = armamentminister which = 14 }
		command = { type = ministerofsecurity which = 15 }
		command = { type = ministerofintelligence which = 16 }
		command = { type = chiefofstaff which = 17 }
		command = { type = chiefofarmy which = 18 }
		command = { type = chiefofnavy which = 19 }
		command = { type = chiefofair which = 20 }
	}
}

 

[birch23]

Originally posted by Burris
It turns out Muhammad Daud did NOT become war minister till 1950. So Shah Mahmud Ghazi should have the roles Daud does, and have Daud as a replacement (I do think theres a little too many replacements for ministers, there shouldn't be that many, maybe not even none for most roles (Except Foreign Minister having that guy I told you).

BTW, according to the book "Afghanistan's Foreign Policy in the Mid Twentieth Century" Shah Wali Khan was a Field Marshall.

The we will replace him in the ruling cabinet(Daoud)that is.

As for the replacements..no there are not one too many,actually that iw hy I'm rwriting them at this moment so they fit like a a glove.The idea is that the player has each option available,and no it will never be the same pattern for each country.The year availability takes care of that.

Just look at Afghanistan,how close they are too water,They have claims to UK...they might get Karachi or they mmight invade Persia and all of a sudden they will surely need all those sea related replacements.If you don't like them then don't use them

 

[birch23]

Vulture

That looks fine to me,there are as said no need to do anything about the recently added Austrian.

Could you send that to me(when it works..so I can change the no's when I redo the German ministers list.

and sent to you:Bolivia rewritten csv,and Siam updated and closed with 47 new pics.Those Siam names were killing me...

 

[Vulture]

I'll mail it ASAP when I've done the Failed Assassination ministers/leaders

 

[Vulture]

And the second event

#########################################################################
#  Failed Assassination of Hitler
#########################################################################
event = {
	id = 2026
	random = no
	country = GER

	trigger = {
		government = fascist
		minister = 1 # AH alive
		dissent = 25
		random = 5
		NOT = {
			OR = {
				event = 2025
				event = 2026
			}
		}
	}

	name = "EVT_2026_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_2026_DESC"
	style = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1944 }
	offset = 7 # Check for trigger conditions every seven days
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1945 }

	action_a = {
		name = "OK" #
		
		# Ministers killed by Hitler after the failed coup or committed suicide
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 7 } # Ludwig Beck
			# The people in the LC shadow cabinet can't be killed cuz
			# otherwise Germany will have a blanco government should a democracy coup Germany. 
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 80 } # Julius Leber
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 48 } # Ulrich von Hassel
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 71 } # Josef Wirmer
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 66 } # Johannes Popitz
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 88 } # Erich Hoepner
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 68 } # Claus von Stauffenberg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 75 } # Fritz-Dietlof von der Schulenberg
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 101 } # Erwin von Witzleben
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 76 } # Henning von Tresckow
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 96 } # Erwin Rommel
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 6 } # Wilhelm Canaris
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 86 } # Hans Oster
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 47 } # Friedrich-Werner von der Schulenberg

		# Sleep doubles of Canaris, Raeder and Schacht
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 4 } # Hjalmar Schacht
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 6 } # Wilhelm Canaris
		command = { type = sleepminister which = 9 } # Erich Raeder

		# Heer generals killed after the failed coup or commited suicide
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 133 } # Erich Hoepner
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 200 } # Friedrich Olbricht
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 330 } # Erwin von Witzleben
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 73 } # Friedrich Fromm
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 290 } # Günther von Kluge
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 217 } # Erwin Rommel
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 320 } # Carl-Friedrich von Stülpnagel
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 394 } # Fritz Thiele
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 508 } # Eduard Wagner

		# Appoint a new Head of Military Intelligence and Chief of Staff to avoid blanks
		command = { type = ministerofintelligence which = 85 } # Ernst Kaltenbrunner
		command = { type = chiefofstaff which = 95 } # Heinz Guderian

		command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
	}
}

File attached

 

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Re: Vulture

Originally posted by birch23
Those Siam names were killing me...

How did you manage to translate the symbols into letters?

 

[brandnew70x7]

That plots not gonna be good for Germany if it happenes.

 

[birch23]

Originally posted by Vulture
I'll mail it ASAP when I've done the Failed Assassination ministers/leaders

Okay..now I'd better take a closer look at the list and see if some are kept anyway and others may go.

ahhh we'd better let Galland continue.....but we can also use this event to get rid of the dead..--assuming this is 1944

Heer

Bader
Balck
Dollmann
Fouquet
Harteneck
Hube
Kuntzen
Lindemann
Lutz
Müller A.
Schniewind
Ulex
von Boehm-Bezing
von Schobert
Warlimont (he would have to go if the coupers were succesfull)


Kriegsmarine

von Puttkamer would have to go to

Luftwaffe

Galland stays
Kastner-Kirdorf OUT

SS

Lombard
Trabandt

Foreigners

Haselmayr
Hickmann

I think that should be the last changes....

 

[birch23]

Re: Re: Vulture

Originally posted by Lunar
How did you manage to translate the symbols into letters?

There was another nice list of who was in command at the given time...so I just detracted the no you gave and voila....the real killing theme however is according to Aetius that there are at least 3 different ways of spelling Thai names......

 

[brandnew70x7]

True for many asian countries :-(