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Hi i think there should be more possible option even when the Roman culture is dead, to learn latin in the game. So there should be more characters especially priest and the pope who know latin as a language. And that if you put the scholar or theology focus if you are a catholic or some similar religion that you have the opportunity to learn latin as lingua franca.
 
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Hi i think there should be more possible option even when the Roman culture is dead, to learn latin in the game. So there should be more characters especially priest and the pope who know latin as a language. And that if you put the scholar or theology focus if you are a catholic or some similar religion that you have the opportunity to learn latin as lingua franca.
In fact latin was court language of many courts at that time, and was used as vehicular language in most of western Europe (between french and occitan for ex).
Most rulers were able to speak their local language and latin. Rarely several local languages as depicted in game…
 

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Any local language with the name "vulgar" at the end (Italian, Iberian, D'oil, D'oc) are all referring to a derivative of latin spoken locally ("vulgar" == spoken). These eventually became modern languages like Italian varieties, Spanish varieties, French but are still hundreds of years away from that.

So in short Latin is in the game, spoken by many rulers.

Adding another "true" or "literary" or "church" Latin into active use in the game (yes I know Roman culture has just "Latin") in my opinion just doesn't add much to the game and doesn't fit neatly into the language system. Languages currently represent a broad set of local dialects that can approximately understand each other and are tied to culture. We already have several families Latin being used and adding another "church Latin" doesn't tie to a culture.
 
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Any local language with the name "vulgar" at the end (Italian, Iberian, D'oil, D'oc) are all referring to a derivative of latin spoken locally ("vulgar" == spoken). These eventually became modern languages like Italian varieties, Spanish varieties, French but are still hundreds of years away from that.

So in short Latin is in the game, spoken by many rulers.
So to be clear about my previous post :
- local language was for "vulgar" language spoken locally
- latin was for classical latin (or literary or church or however you call it)

And at that time, most important rulers knew both, because classical latin was used as vehicular language. And they often used it as court language, because it was more prestigious than using vulgar language, and showed their "superiority" (at least at start dates of the game).

During centuries (way after the game timeframe), the only way occitans communicated with the french king was using classical latin, because they could not speak french/oïl language and the king obviously couldn't speak/understand occitan.
 

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And at that time, most important rulers knew both
And the ones that didn't could always ask a local priest to translate letters for them. AFAIK the languages they were speaking didn't have separate names at the time. They'd just refer to it as "Latin", but when writing, they'd write in a more universal way that they knew other rulers would understand.

- latin was for classical latin (or literary or church or however you call it)
I would not use "Church Latin" to refer to "Classical Latin", nor "Classical Latin" to refer to "Church Latin". I think the game would do fine with just "Ecclesiastical Latin" as a language, but it should be noted that this is already different from the way Latin was written (and, especially, spoken) during the Classical period.

What constitutes Literary Latin depends on when and where the book you're talking about was written.
 
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I would not use "Church Latin" to refer to "Classical Latin", nor "Classical Latin" to refer to "Church Latin". I think the game would do fine with just "Ecclesiastical Latin" as a language, but it should be noted that this is already different from the way Latin was written (and, especially, spoken) during the Classical period.

What constitutes Literary Latin depends on when and where the book you're talking about was written.
Yes you are right about this.
The whole point was about coexistence of "vulgar" language and vehicular latin language. Many (important) courts using vehicular latin language as court language at the beginning of game time frame, before switching to "vulgar" language at one point.
Vehicular latin language was also used by non-romance language speakers as... a vehicular language (obviously! :)).

Anyway, this can not be depicted the way languages are designed in game...
 

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Right now Latin has little place because of how the language system is implemented. If the benefice, like the halved oppinion, of sharing a language didn't only apply to the mother tongue of a character and applied to any language that two characters share knowledge Latin (or greek, arabic, etc) would have their place. That way learning Latin would be as useful as it was for Europeans in the era, as it would apply to churchmen and other cultured folk in Europe. However, I don't think that it should be learned from a character as it works in the present build, but a character with enough Learning should be able to learn it by himself, maybe via a decision to "Study Latin literature".
I would not use "Church Latin" to refer to "Classical Latin", nor "Classical Latin" to refer to "Church Latin". I think the game would do fine with just "Ecclesiastical Latin" as a language, but it should be noted that this is already different from the way Latin was written (and, especially, spoken) during the Classical period.

What constitutes Literary Latin depends on when and where the book you're talking about was written.
I would call it just "Latin". Ecclesiastical Latin isn't a monolithical entity and it changes in style according to the Latin Language Era (Medieval, New Latin, Contemporary). Also Classical Latin and Ecclesiastical are not that different, they differ in style, some vocabulary and pronunciation (which was "restored" quite after the Middle Ages), but in all they are the same language. A person who has learned Church Latin can perfectly read Classical Latin, apart from looking for the meaning of a word or two.
 
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Yeah there should be reasons why you have to learn latin in the game. If you become a scholar or doctor and other things. I mean you still need in many fields today to know some basics of latin. So it would be good to have something and some mechanics sitiuations that you have to learn latin in the game. I mean Latin still had and has a huge impact in the timeperiod and even today. So the significance of Latin should be somehow represented in the game at one point,
 
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