Latin America tech tree

[Kloriuwun]

Good afternoon to you all, I am a Latin American player of Heart of Iron and I would be interested to know how many people will have interested in Latin America receiving their own tree focus: Such as Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Colombia that were countries that received fascist scientists and refugees. It would be interesting to see alternative stories from each country so that that region doesn't feel so empty.

 

[squid_hills]

I can guarantee you that, in the fullness of time, every country in South and Central America will get unique focus trees. It just won't be anytime soon, I'm afraid. The next big update we're due to expect (after Battle for the Bosporus) is almost certainly going to be the USSR rework (which may or may not include Italy and Scandanavia). If Italy isn't part of the USSR rework, expect it to come before South America. If Scandanavia isn't part of the USSR rework (and I can't imagine a reason why it wouldn't be, but still...) expect it before South America. Honestly, you could probably expect a Middle East country pack before you see one for South America.

But they will make trees for South America at some point. The day will come. We must all be patient.

In the meantime, swing by the Steam Workshop. I'm sure there are mods that add focus trees for most, if not all, of the South and Central American countries (I know of at least one memey tree for Argentina). Some of them may even be balanced. And considering that the most recent country pack was made by "freelancers" (so basically guys who made mods for free and now get paid to make mods) some of the mod trees might be close to what the eventual official South American trees end up looking like.

 

[TalyonUngol]

I can guarantee you that, in the fullness of time, every country in South and Central America will get unique focus trees. It just won't be anytime soon, I'm afraid. The next big update we're due to expect (after Battle for the Bosporus) is almost certainly going to be the USSR rework (which may or may not include Italy and Scandanavia). If Italy isn't part of the USSR rework, expect it to come before South America. If Scandanavia isn't part of the USSR rework (and I can't imagine a reason why it wouldn't be, but still...) expect it before South America. Honestly, you could probably expect a Middle East country pack before you see one for South America.

But they will make trees for South America at some point. The day will come. We must all be patient.

In the meantime, swing by the Steam Workshop. I'm sure there are mods that add focus trees for most, if not all, of the South and Central American countries (I know of at least one memey tree for Argentina). Some of them may even be balanced. And considering that the most recent country pack was made by "freelancers" (so basically guys who made mods for free and now get paid to make mods) some of the mod trees might be close to what the eventual official South American trees end up looking like.

Im going to assume that the USSR rework will come with a poland rework and a Finland tree. Maybe even a shared tree between Lithuiana and the like.

Then after that should be another country pack, probably either around the middle east or the Scandnavians like Sweden, Denmark and Norway.

Then should be Italy with... well Idk what new countries they'll do with italy, but I'd be okay with a Hungary focus tree update with Italy. Make it two big reworks and some more mechanics. Maybe even an Etheopia tree for shits and giggles.

Then another country and then... well I dunno.

 

[Iskulya]

I can guarantee you that, in the fullness of time, every country in South and Central America will get unique focus trees.

I really hope that isn't true.

It would be a massive waste of time, in my opinion, if the developers spend time making fancy focus trees for country like Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua meanwhile important countries like Canada, Australia, India, and even Japan have very primitive and basic trees.

Personally, I wouldn't buy such a DLC if it included central american countries. The only country of note worth playing in all of Central America already has a focus tree: Mexico. I would also remind people that central america specifically refers to the region between Panama and the southern US border.

I DO think a DLC that had countries like Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, and/or Peru could be decent, but beyond that? I don't see much added value to the game, in my perspective, when there are much more worthwhile things the developers could be doing with their time. Again, many of the oldest focus trees and reworks are pretty inadequate by the standards of the newer ones we have gotten.

 

[TalyonUngol]

I really hope that isn't true.

It would be a massive waste of time, in my opinion, if the developers spend time making fancy focus trees for country like Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua meanwhile important countries like Canada, Australia, India, and even Japan have very primitive and basic trees.

Personally, I wouldn't buy such a DLC if it included central american countries. The only country of note worth playing in all of Central America already has a focus tree: Mexico. I would also remind people that central america specifically refers to the region between Panama and the southern US border.

I DO think a DLC that had countries like Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, and/or Peru could be decent, but beyond that? I don't see much added value to the game, in my perspective, when there are much more worthwhile things the developers could be doing with their time. Again, many of the oldest focus trees and reworks are pretty inadequate by the standards of the newer ones we have gotten.

Agreed. Smaller countries like that would be unappealing to me. Portugal when announced was unappealed but it turned out great. Columbia would br good. Brazil and Argentina. Argentina could get a focus tree that revolves around Germany's oppose hitler where Hitler escapes to Argentina. Since nazis did go there its not too implausible either.

 

[Kloriuwun]

It would be interesting if they also do Finland, Norway, Sweden after the USSR and Italy. I also remember reading out there an official comment that they don't plan to make HOI V but plan a total rework of the game's economic system.
And I really don't know, does Poland need a rework? I'm a "new" player really

 

[Kloriuwun]

I really hope that isn't true.

It would be a massive waste of time, in my opinion, if the developers spend time making fancy focus trees for country like Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua meanwhile important countries like Canada, Australia, India, and even Japan have very primitive and basic trees.

Personally, I wouldn't buy such a DLC if it included central american countries. The only country of note worth playing in all of Central America already has a focus tree: Mexico. I would also remind people that central america specifically refers to the region between Panama and the southern US border.

I DO think a DLC that had countries like Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, and/or Peru could be decent, but beyond that? I don't see much added value to the game, in my perspective, when there are much more worthwhile things the developers could be doing with their time. Again, many of the oldest focus trees and reworks are pretty inadequate by the standards of the newer ones we have gotten.

Personally, I would love (even if only) to see reworks from Brazil, Argentina and Colombia. Since, as I said, they were countries that had a stake in the campaigns of volunteers, airplane pilots, sending supplies and politically doing many things to benefit from receiving Nazi refugees from Germany and Italy. particularly that I am an Argentine citizen, we had a fascist politician named Perón (who within the game is) who maintained a lot of contact with Benito Mussolini
publicly and secretly with Adolf Hitler, who secretly received gold brought from ships and transported by train to the capital, Buenos Aires. Also having a lot of arms, scientific and logistical influence from the Nazis. It would be an interesting tree with alternative stories

 

[MobiusTwo]

Personally, I think that Latin America is a lower priority for focus trees compared to the Middle East, Scandinavia, Southeast Asia, and the rest of Western Europe that doesn't have focus trees yet. However, the bigger South American nations should definitely get focus trees, most notably Argentina and Brazil. The Ecuadorian-Peruvian war needs to be represented as well. For the smaller countries in Central America and the Caribbean, I'd still like to see events that change your leader and stuff since many Latin American countries had leadership changes throughout the game's time period.

 

[Dryhad]

I had the thought that an efficient option for Latin America might be a "regional generic" tree: a focus tree shared by all Latin American nations (except those with unique trees for themselves, like Mexico; this can be scripted easily so that the regional generic tree is a fallback when a unique tree's DLC is not active or does not exist) kind of like the Chinese Warlords except more substantial. The regional generic tree would probably revolve around picking a side between Germany and the US as this dominated the foreign policy of most of this region during the time period.

The benefit of doing this is it would provide some baseline level of flavour and gameplay interest to the region without the need for a separate tree for every single tag. However, unique trees could still be added on top if required. I would imagine such a thing would be released as part of a Latin America country pack which would include two or three unique trees as well.

 

[Emperor_Napoleon]

I think that Latin America will be the lowest priority for giving unique focus trees, for the rather understandable reason that almost none of them were involved in the war whatsoever. I don't think it would be justifiable to give them unique focuses before every single other country that was actually involved in the war has one (including small countries like Belgium, Denmark and Albania). That said, I hope Paradox at least add some small flavour events and national spirits to Latin American countries at some point in the near future, because at the moment almost every country is a complete blank-slate with nothing unique about any of them.

I think a more realistic idea for the Latin American countries is a shared focus tree for the smaller and/or less relevant countries, along the lines of what the Chinese warlords have. I can't see there being enough content to make unique focus trees for every single Latin American country. This would be a good and reasonable compromise. However, bigger and more significant countries like Brazil should definitely have a fully unique tree. If Mexico can get one, Brazil definitely can.

 

[Metz]

The only countries in South America that would merit a unique tree would be Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, and Peru.

Central American countries could have a similar tree which revolves around creating the United States of Central America (which if formed would grand more paths). Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, and Ecuador should have some similarities and the option to form Gran Colombia which would grant more pathways.

 

[Dryhad]

The only countries in South America that would merit a unique tree would be Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, and Peru.

The Ecuadorian-Peruvian war would probably require focus tree support to be properly represented in game and this would probably need to include one for Ecuador.

 

[kimidf]

I really hope that isn't true.

It would be a massive waste of time, in my opinion, if the developers spend time making fancy focus trees for country like Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua meanwhile important countries like Canada, Australia, India, and even Japan have very primitive and basic trees.

Personally, I wouldn't buy such a DLC if it included central american countries. The only country of note worth playing in all of Central America already has a focus tree: Mexico. I would also remind people that central america specifically refers to the region between Panama and the southern US border.

I DO think a DLC that had countries like Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, and/or Peru could be decent, but beyond that? I don't see much added value to the game, in my perspective, when there are much more worthwhile things the developers could be doing with their time. Again, many of the oldest focus trees and reworks are pretty inadequate by the standards of the newer ones we have gotten.

I believe that the solution for those countries would be to create shared regional generic trees that insert something of their own flavor due to the geostrategic zone

 

[Dlin369]

I’m not too worried about South America getting a tree - unlike say South East Asia (Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia), South America has enough interest in the player community based off the player statistics podcat releases that I bet they’ll eventually get one before Hoi5. Brazil in particular is fairly popular - the only thing is I don’t know if they’ll split South America into two packs.

I think focus trees + alt history paths is an ingenious business idea for PDX - it allows them to create a ton of bundles and basically dozens of possible country packs along with art and skins. Even if they stop adding mechanics after USSR and Italy (which I doubt, but I imagine it’ll slow down), they can basically keep churning out dlcs to cover the entire world so long as people are willing to buy them

 

[kimidf]

I’m not too worried about South America getting a tree - unlike say South East Asia (Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia), South America has enough interest in the player community based off the player statistics podcat releases that I bet they’ll eventually get one before Hoi5. Brazil in particular is fairly popular - the only thing is I don’t know if they’ll split South America into two packs.

I think focus trees + alt history paths is an ingenious business idea for PDX - it allows them to create a ton of bundles and basically dozens of possible country packs along with art and skins. Even if they stop adding mechanics after USSR and Italy (which I doubt, but I imagine it’ll slow down), they can basically keep churning out dlcs to cover the entire world so long as people are willing to buy them

I believe with a package it would already cover all of South America since only Brazil, Argentina are clear as countries with approaches and some more that could be Colombia, the rest could perfectly be a regional shared tree

 

[KongenfraNord]

I think expansions / country packs will be something like this:
-USSR, Finland, Shared Baltic states and reworked Poland.
-Italy, Switzerland, Belgium and Ireland (leftovers of Europe), perhaps with some small alterations to Hungary and perhaps Austria & Ethiopia
-Denmark, Sweden and Norway
-Iraq, Iran, Saudi arabia and perhaps Raj rework
-Siam, British Malaya, Indonesia, Phillipines and Australia & NZ update.
-Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Columbia and Venezuela. Maybe a small extra pack for Peru, Bolivia and Cuba but I doubt we'll see for the rest of the latin countries.

 

[TrancaStreet]

I really love the idea to have focus trees for LATAM countries. That would be great! I really have fun playing with Brazil.