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Hagar

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seangcarroll said:
Well, how about these requirements...

1) WWII period (somewhat ahistorical Ok)
2) Not so many events that my computer will overheat.
3) Some enhancement to the combat system, e.g., brigades .that have more value beyond simply Marines plus artillery.
4)works with Armageddon with no (or rare) game crashes.
Well that doesn't narrow it down too much, though requirement two is highly dependent of the specs of your computer. :rolleyes: Whatever the case, most if not all mods will add loads of events to the original game.

I'll answer them for CORE at least:
1) WWII period (somewhat ahistorical Ok)
CORE covers the 1936-1952 era, basically. Apart from the historical we aim to support the ahistorical, plausible options as well. We tend to opt for historical accuracy rather than gamey aspects though, so don't expect to rule the world as Luxemburg or Bhutan.

2) Not so many events that my computer will overheat.
I've yet to see any report of overheating taking place when playing CORE. But we do add thousands of events to the original game, as most mods do.

3) Some enhancement to the combat system, e.g., brigades .that have more value beyond simply Marines plus artillery.
We have a completely revised and expanded tech tree and model setup. More brigade variety, and more specialization. Plus the tech tree is so advanced that it forces nations to focus their research rather than 'research it all'. Going ahistorical comes as a price, i.e. Germany can go for a carrier fleet, but will lack the tech teams with matching skills. It's certainly doable, but it will leave you relatively weak somewhere else.

4)works with Armageddon with no (or rare) game crashes.
CORE works with ARM (0.3.2.3 isn't fully utilizing ARM features like the naval brigades, but it works fine). The upcoming release will be a full ARM release. And we only release when the mod is stable, and as bug free as it can get.

Furthermore, we fully support moddir, so you can install CORE into your regular ARM setup and the original game will still work. Do bear in mind that in order to get a full CORE experience you'll need one of the two CORE Graphics Packs as well, given the huge amounts of changes in the model and tech tree setup.
 

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Wow, Thank you for the in-depth analysis of CORE. What is Moddir? I'm guessing a program which allows you to swap back and forth between mods with ease? Where do I get it?
 

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seangcarroll said:
Wow, Thank you for the in-depth analysis of CORE. What is Moddir? I'm guessing a program which allows you to swap back and forth between mods with ease? Where do I get it?
There's some more info on CORE here:
http://www.paradoxian.org/hoi2wiki/index.php/Mods_and_Modding#CORE

And we do supply a manual trying to explain the design philosophy behind CORE, amongst other things.

As to moddir, it's a (albeit still a bit flawed) feature of the game itself, which allows you to install a mod in a subdirectory of the original game (in our case mod-CORE2). That way we don't overwrite existing original game files. The only files we add to the original game setup are dummy files, which are still needed in part in order to get the engine to load the corresponding file in the moddir (the flaw I mentioned earlier). So it pretty much comes out of the box really.
For other mods you might want to use JSGME (download link on the Wiki page).
 

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Hm, I cant understand how it was possible that I've missed CORE to try :)
Certainly will try right after I finish with current one.

However, is it any possibility to use it with "old" vanilla game graphics?
 

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Hm, I cant understand how it was possible that I've missed CORE to try :)
Certainly will try right after I finish with current one.

However, is it any possibility to use it with "old" vanilla game graphics?
It is, but don't complain if your 1936 cav model is displaying a helicopter. :rolleyes:
The graphics packs we supply are installed in the moddir as well, actually (dummies aside), so they won't affect your original setup.
 

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seangcarroll said:
Well, how about these requirements...

1) WWII period (somewhat ahistorical Ok)
2) Not so many events that my computer will overheat.
3) Some enhancement to the combat system, e.g., brigades .that have more value beyond simply Marines plus artillery.
4)works with Armageddon with no (or rare) game crashes.

1) TRP time frame is from 1936 - 1952 and even though things can go A-Historical the events are mainly geared to encourage people to go in a historical direction (but not required).
2) Well you got us there we have over 10,000 new events.
3) TRP Has the most complex and re-designed combat system over any mod. The concepts was original developed by Math Guy in Hearts of Iron 1 and has been incorporated/enhanced to work with Armageddon.
4) TRP is very stable and is not known for random CTD's
 

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Ok, I've heard a lot about TRP and CORE... they seem to be the most popular. Soooo, what's are the primary differences between these two? What is the greatest strength of each? For example, is one rely on events for it's flavor while the other the combat system? Is it possible to answer these questions or is the answer simply "they are two different experiences"?
 

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Lothos said:
You really have to play them.
I concur. It's the best way to determine which one will be your cup of tea (if not both of them).