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About some names being totally unrecognisable in their native tongue, I think we should acknowledge the fact that EU is pretty Eurocentric in its outlook. Just look at the name of the game!

So I'd suggest using the names for strangely named places that were or might reasonably have been most used in Europe during the period.

Take Albania, I think there is an excellent chance it was known to the educated elite of Europe by its greek name, Epirus. After all, in the 14th century wars of Byzantine reunification, the area was known as the "Despotate of Epirus".

I'd also avoid using the names given to their cities and provinces by very small cultures if they also had more well-known names given by more influential nearby cultures. As one example, I think Nafarroa for Navarra is not so good, since for all non-basques it will have a very low recognition factor, and consequently adds very little flavor. Either the Spanish name Navarra or, even better, the French Navarre would be preferable. (Navarra was not pure basque anyway, both Castillian and French was spoken there at the time).

Also, I'd go with German names for those central-european cities that have both german and local names, since the German influence in these cities is definitely a flavor factor, being something belonging to the past. Just think of old Dracula movies! :)
 

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wow really nice to see so much new ideas! :)

I think that I will do all the changes I you have told me, except the last ones by Yogi. Yogi I made as a rule that every province and city gets the native name of the nationality which belongs to it in EU2. If a nationality of a province is wrong you can tell me how to change it :)

And I suggest that we cleared this Lund-Malmö thing now, because kullenius' arguments convinced me!

Anyways go and visit Turkey! :) the new language-mod version will be online in a few days!
 

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Well, Deserteur, that is of course your prerogative. About province culture, its rarely "wrong", I'm sure that at the very least you could find a very large minority of the chosen culture in there. But you could probably find very large minorities of other nationalities too - just think of the quite Germanised cities of western Poland, Bohemia and Hungary. So it might be that a province was predominantly Magyar in culture, but had a capital predominantly German in culture - and then what name should the city have? :)
 

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pretty easy question :)

answer: the name of the major nationality of the province. It is always the nationality of the province which is important, the nationalities of the country it belongs to and its main city are less important. Only if the population of the province cannot clearly be found out, I have to take the city-nationality and country-nationality as possible languages.
 

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ok good and bad news ..

the good ones :) I updated the language-mod to the EEP v1.0b and flag-mod v1.04, so get it.

the bad news :mad: some stupid "admin" moved my general forum threat to the scenario forum .. AGAIN !! which really strapats (fuck it if this is correct English or not) my nerves

.. anyways your proposed changes will be done tomorrow or later this night, depends on what I will do this evening :)
 

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@ Atilla the Hun: Sollte ich nicht lieber Carpathia in Kárpátalja umbenennen anstatt Ruthenia? Ich habe jetzt Ruthenia einfach nach

@ Hamilca10: Ost- und Westschweiz? Ich weis nicht ob dann nicht die ganzen nicht Deutschen hier Radau machen wenn ich für die Schweiz als Landessprache auf einmal Deutsch nehme oder meinst du das geht ok?

edit: I have done the latest changes at France, Helvetia and Turkey.
 
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@ Atilla the Hun: Sollte ich nicht lieber Carpathia in Kárpátalja umbenennen anstatt Ruthenia?

Nein, die Ungarisch Bezeichnung vuer Carpathia war immer und ist auch heute noch Felvidék (Highlands) und wie Ich schon erwaenht habe Ruthenia ist im ungarischem bis heute noch Kárpátalja, Ich hoffe das Ich nicht zu viel verlangt habe. Tschuess!! D :D
 

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So you can have your mod, and I can have mine :D

Attila: I don't follow :confused:

Sorry Sharur if I was not clear there. I meant that You can apply almost anything (purely English names, or the ethnic names, whatever) it is fine as long as You are consistent, but the problem I see with EUII is that certain regions use their ethnic (neither English nor German) names where as others are having only Germans names although they were probably much better known by their ethnic names beck in those times.;) So this is what I meant in using doubble standards.
 

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Deserteur, Ich vergass noch eines, naehmlich Pressburg, Bratislava das in Wirklichkeit damals POZSONY hiess. Ich sah das Du das nicht geaendert hast obvohl as zwischen 1541 und 1848 Ungerischer Hauptstadt war, wo die ueberwiegende mehrheit Ungarisch war. Das Ungarische Parlament tagte dort, es war das westliche Zentrum der Ungarischem Wissenschaft, mit Ungarischen Universitaeten, Theater, etc.. deswegen bin Ich ueberzeugt das es POZSONY anstatt Bratislava heissen soll. Uebrigens Hermannstadt war damals Hermanstadt, warum hast Du das in den heutigen Roumaenischen namen geaendert? Es hatte eine ueberwiegende Deutsche mehrheit dort, danach sollte es Hermannstadt bleiben. Danke noch mals, und Tschuess!:D
 

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Also ändere ich Carpathia zu Felvidék und Ruthenia zu Kárpátalja ok?

Aber Bratislava hat im Spiel eine slovakische Bevölkerung und deshalb habe ich es in Bratislava umbenannt. Oder war es in Wahrheit früher eine ungarische Bevölkerung und es ist ein Fehler im Spiel?

Fast dasselbe für Siebenbürgen und Hermannstadt. Mir ist grade aufgefallen das ich mich mit Erdély vertan habe :) Aber trotzdem war die Bevölkerungsmehrheit ins Transylvania/Siebenbürgen damals Deutsche oder Ungarn? Denn den Städtenamen will ich auch immer nur in der Sprache der Provinzmehrheit schreiben. Also wenn damals dort mehr Ungarn als Deutsche gelebt haben nenne ich Hermannstadt halt Sibiu. Wenn damals mehr Deutsche dort gelebt haben nenne ich Transylvania halt Siebenbürgen und ändere die Provinznationalität von Magyar nach German.

Hast du vielleicht irgendeine Internetquelle wo ich das nachschauen kann?
 
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Also ändere ich Carpathia zu Felvidék und Ruthenia zu Kárpátalja ok? Aber Bratislava hat im Spiel eine slovakische Bevölkerung und deshalb habe ich es in Bratislava umbenannt. Oder war es in Wahrheit früher eine ungarische Bevölkerung und es ist ein Fehler im Spiel?

Fast dasselbe für Siebenbürgen und Hermannstadt. Mir ist grade aufgefallen das ich mich mit Erdély vertan habe :) Aber trotzdem war die Bevölkerungsmehrheit ins Transylvania/Siebenbürgen damals Deutsche oder Ungarn? Denn den Städtenamen will ich auch immer nur in der Sprache der Provinzmehrheit schreiben. Also wenn damals dort mehr Ungarn als Deutsche gelebt haben nenne ich Hermannstadt halt Sibiu. Wenn damals mehr Deutsche dort gelebt haben nenne ich Transylvania halt Siebenbürgen und ändere die Provinznationalität von Magyar nach German.

Die Mehrheit der Bevölkerung in der provinz rundherum Pozsony (Bratislava) war damals Ungarisch. Selbst heute leben da mehr als 200 000 Ungarn (vor allem im sogenannten Csallóköz, ein Insel der Donau, das unterhalb von Pozsony beginnt) derenvolge ist das ein Fehler im Spiel. (Das hat auch Paradox selbst zugegeben in dem sie anstatt die kultur im provinz zu aendern die Slovakische Kultur zu den Ungarischen Staatskulturen gab).

Wenn Ich aber consequent bleiben will, muss Ich auch zugeben das im diesem Sinne der provinz Name Carpathia so bleiben muss, weil dort die Slowaken die Mehrheit bevölkerung waren. Die Mehrheit Bevölkerung in Transsylvania war aber bis zum ende des XVIII. Jahrhundert Ungarisch (im Patch 1.04 hat Paradox das sehr korrekter weise auf Ungarisch korregiert), deshalb ist Erdély korrekt, aber die Mehrheit in Hermannstadt war ohne Zweifel Deutscher, deswegen bin Ich ein bischen skeptisch was Du im dem Fall benutzen solltest (Übrigens, Sibiu ist auf Roumaenisch, im Ungarischem würde es Nagyszeben sein). Meiner Meinung nach sollte die Stadt im dem Provinz sowieso Kolozsvár (Clausenburg) sein, weil es immer schon Transsylvaniens grösste, und auch gleich bedeudenster Stadt war. ;) Tschüss!!:D :D
 

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ach du scheisse..

also dann
Presburg to Pozsony (province culture will be edited to magyar)
Carpathia stays Carpathia
Hermannstadt to Kolozsvár
Ruthenia to Kárpátalja
Transylvania to Transilvania

so alles ok?
 

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ach du scheisse..

also dann
Presburg to Pozsony (province culture will be edited to magyar)
Carpathia stays Carpathia
Hermannstadt to Kolozsvár
Ruthenia to Kárpátalja
Transylvania to Transilvania

so alles ok?

Fast alles, nur Transsylvania sollte auf Erdély geaendert werden (Mehrheit war Ungarisch bis zum ende des XVIII JH.), sonnst is alles palletti.:D :D Brauchst Du vielleicht noch etwas, ein par "Sites" über Erdély und so???? Ansonnstem viel Glück und Danke vuer Alles, Tschüss.:D :D
 

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I think that Europe is finished now. Maybe there are one or two provinces which need to be changed, but most of it is finished.

I have uploaded the latest version of the language mod 0.257 and already installed it on my own computer to play with it. For those who still have complaints, just tell them to me :) the same if you find some bugs.
 

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I think that Europe is finished now. Maybe there are one or two provinces which need to be changed, but most of it is finished.

I have uploaded the latest version of the language mod 0.257 and already installed it on my own computer to play with it. For those who still have complaints, just tell them to me :) the same if you find some bugs.

'ne menge Arbeit :D Aber es hat sich gelohnt, Mein Kompliment Ich Gratuliere Dir :D :D
 

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Menge ist garkein Ausdruck :D das scheiss 1.04 Update und dann noch das EEP Update waren schon total nervig, aber wozu bin ich sonst Student? :D
 

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Menge ist garkein Ausdruck :D das scheiss 1.04 Update und dann noch das EEP Update waren schon total nervig, aber wozu bin ich sonst Student? :D

:D :D
 

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Originally posted by Attila the Hun
Sorry Sharur if I was not clear there. I meant that You can apply almost anything (purely English names, or the ethnic names, whatever) it is fine as long as You are consistent, but the problem I see with EUII is that certain regions use their ethnic (neither English nor German) names where as others are having only Germans names although they were probably much better known by their ethnic names beck in those times. So this is what I meant in using doubble standards.

Exactly. And there are two ways to solve the double standard: one is to retain all ethnic names, and the other is to put them all into one language (in my case, preferrably English ;)). I'm sure it's fun for you all to see all of the original, ethnic names, but for me, it's more fun to see Alsace-Lorraine, for instance, and to be able to instantly recognize it, rather than trying to figure it from the another language. Which is why, in addition to the language-mod, I think there should be an English-mod which cuts out all the hodge-podge names and replaces them with straightforward English names. Not as an insult to anyone else's ethnicity, but just so I could recognize them :). I certainly wouldn't mind a German-mod being out there, with all of the names in German, for those who wanted it :).
 

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hehe a German mod would be ok for me :) I even would help to create it, but I still want to complete this mod here. So give me some new names to translate!