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[Styrbiorn]

@Styrbiorn and beowulf: But which language was spoken by the majority in these provinces? Swedish or Finnish?

Finnish of course.

However, those towns were founded by the Swedes, and given Swedish names (for example Helsinki is a Finnish pronounciation of the original Helsingfors). The country was considered a natural part of the country. Sweden was divided into the Western (nowadays Sweden) and Eastern (nowadays Finland) "rikshalvor" ("halfrealms"), while the other provinces like Estonia and Pommerania were considered foreign conquered provinces. Well anyway, I guess it's because it's more natural for me to say Viborg, Åbo and Helsingfors.

 

[Deserteur]

yes I think someone from Finland would tell me the opposite stuff, but I have decided like this:

All scandinavian country have scandinavian as nationality. So I look into the provinces.csv and see to which region they belong (Denmark, Sweden, Norway or Finland) and then I give the provinces and cities the names of this region ok?


I also edited a few south-eastern European names and some Polish and Bohemian too. So take a look at it.

 

[Styrbiorn]

A Finnish guy would probably tell you the opposite yes.


Well, you do what you want, I'll continue playing with the original Swedish names anyway

And, BTW, you do know that Scandinavia is only Denmark, Norway and Sweden, don't you?

 

[Deserteur]

maybe the programmers did not know this because they made Finnish provinces scandinavian too.

 

[Mad King James]

ever heard chaucer? now imagine auld french
a frenchman from 1419 would speak a dialect of french so bizarre as to be completely unintelligable by a modern speaker. At the time, 1419 english and 1419 french were very very similar.

 

[unmerged(6303)]

Can I recommend a website for the more obscure languages:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/welcome.html

The consensus is to change Wessex to Hampshire, for now at least. [If two people is a consensus]

And thanks for compiling all these. It looks as though this is going to be good fun.

 

[Deserteur]

Pishtaco very much thanks for this site! Therefore I will change Wessex to Hampshire until there are to many complains about it

@Mad King James: I always knew that the French language sucks scince I had to leanr it in school

 

[Deserteur]

after working myself through the hompepage Pishtaco gave to me there is a huge upgrade available now

changes marked with a * are not finished yet, because of the lot of work to do, so check the list above in my first post and give me some comments about it.

 

[unmerged(6303)]

Suddenly the world is looking much more exotic.

Bear in mind that that site does not claim to be 100 percent accurate. In particular I think "Glesga" is wrong, if such a thing can be wrong. "Glesca" is more common; similarly "Lothian" seems to be used much more than "Lowden".

I gave "Inbhir Nis" rather than "Innerness" because I assumed the people round there spoke mostly Gaelic, and "Dublin" rather than "Duibhlinn" because I assumed the people around there spoke mostly English. I guess these could be matters of opinion.

All the "w"s in Russia look a bit odd. And I would have thought there should be some traces of French in Brittany.

 

[Deserteur]

The same for the "v"s in Russia I changed the "v"s to "w"s because I found all the names only with "w"s and not "v"s in the sources I was searching.

For Duibhlinn, Innerness and Lowden will stay in the Lallans language because I don't want to mix Lallans and Gaelic although Scotland is Gaelic in the game.

I will correct "Glesca".
What do you mean with "And I would have thought there should be some traces of French in Brittany."? (sorry, but my English is not nearly perfect )

But what is Scotland in Lallans? Still Scotland?


I have tried out some countries for beta-testing and it is a very nice experience to play a country with this "new" names, it makes the game much more interesting in my eyes, but soon you can test it

 

[unmerged(6303)]

Originally posted by Deserteur
The same for the "v"s in Russia I changed the "v"s to "w"s because I found all the names only with "w"s and not "v"s in the sources I was searching.

For Duibhlinn, Innerness and Lowden will stay in the Lallans language because I don't want to mix Lallans and Gaelic although Scotland is Gaelic in the game.

I will correct "Glesca" and I will change "Breizh" (country) to "Bretainia". But the rest of Brittany will stay like it is, but what do you mean with "And I would have thought there should be some traces of French in Brittany."? (sorry, but my English is not nearly perfect )

But what is Scotland in Lallans? Still Scotland?


I have tried out some countries for beta-testing and it is a very nice experience to play a country with this "new" names, it makes the game much more interesting in my eyes, but soon you can test it

"Duibhlinn" is the Irish (not Lallans) name for Dublin. I don't know what you mean by "mixing Lallans and Gaelic"; I was thinking of using Gaelic for the Highlands and Lallans for the rest of Scotland.

...I meant that, as far as I know, Brittany was as French as it was Breton, so *something* about it, probably the name of the country, ought to be in French. But this is a subject I know nothing about. [Except that "Bretainia" is actually in Basque; do you mean "Bretagne"? (which is what it is in French)]

 

[Txini]

Originally posted by Deserteur
[B@the Larch: What was Coruña originally called? "A Coruña" or "La Coruña"? I am planning to change the city to Coruña becaise it is a coastal province and Santiago was not a the coast.
Should I rename Saragosa to Zaragoza? [/B]

Saragosa is British name, In Spanish it is Zaragoza, originally Coruña was....well larch is from there he should know, but if no answer let it be Coruña

 

[Basileios II]

Just some comments

- Croatia in Croatian is "Hrvatska" and not Kroazia
- You coul call the Papal States "Patrimonium Petri" (because the official language of the church was Latin)

- Kosovo shoud stay Kosovo, the "A" at the end was invented by Albanian nationalists to make it sound Albanian and thus to give them claims on the land.

 

[unmerged(6303)]

Originally posted by Deserteur
The same for the "v"s in Russia I changed the "v"s to "w"s because I found all the names only with "w"s and not "v"s in the sources I was searching.

Forgive me for asking, but were those sources in English? Have you decided what conventions to use, when translating from another script into the latin alphabet? I have always seen the cyrillic "B" transliterated into "v"; maybe in German (or Polish, from a brief web search) "w" is more natural.

 

[Deserteur]

@Pishtaco: I misunderstood you. I will change Inverness back to Inbhir Nis. But what about Dublin now .. It belonged to England in 1419 right? So what spoke the majority of the province of Meath, Gaelic or English? Because for me it is not important what language they spoke in 1 city, it is important what they spoke in the province. But I have 2 more questions to you. 1. Is there any other Scottish name for "The Grampians"? 2. Is there any other Scottish name for "Scotland"?

@Txini: I renamed Corunna to "La Coruña" because "A Coruña" is the galician name for it, but there is no special nationality in this province in the game.. so La Coruña.

@Basileios: Danke für deine Hilfe, ich hab das bei den Sprachen nicht rauslesen können mit Hrvatska. Sind Zagreb, Serbia, Bosnia und Sarajevo denn richtig? Ansonsten habe ich die Sachen alle korrigiert die du mir sagtest.

@Pishtaco again it sucks but I guess that you are right with these stupid V and W ... argh stupid atlas! But at first I will look around a bit and double check that before I correct everything


I have updated the list again. Still need to know what Russia is in its own language! and if BiB is reading this thread, you can give me the old Dutch names you told me about!

 

[Basileios II]

Deserteur: Sarajevo und Zagreb stimmt; Die Serben nennen ihr Land Srbija und Bosnien heißt Bosna.

Hoffe geholfen zu haben

 

[Deserteur]

ja hast du wenn du mal ein wenig zeit hast kannst du ja mal die liste durchschauen ob du noch ein paar Ausrutscher von mit findest. Jedenfalls jetzt schonmal ein Danke an dich!

 

[The Larch]

Sorry for not being present when I was needed:

Well, if yor rationale for problems like the one with Coruña is the province's culture, Galicia's one is Iberian, not Spanish nor Galician, so...
I'd go with just Coruña, less polemic than adding the article before it.

Bye, The Larch.

 

[Deserteur]

ok just keep it as Coruña

Is it correct that Errusia means Russia in Russian?

 

[unmerged(6303)]

Originally posted by Deserteur
ok just keep it as Coruña

Is it correct that Errusia means Russia in Russian?

That's Basque again. The long texts and explanations on the right hand side of that site are in Basque.

How about "Rossiya".