Landing beaches

[Striker475]

1) On the Aus - Pointe du Hoc thing.
- It was a battalion of Rangers, not an entire Japanese army.
- The Southern Ocean ain't the roughest in the world for no reason.

2) On the port-supply thing.
- What about temporary docks a la Arromaches? Arromaches provided the supplies for the entire advance of the Allied armies all the way to Market Garden. While this wasn't intentional (due to Germans blowing Cherbourg away) it's still v. possible.
Maybe a '43-44 logistics tech?

 

[Driggsd]

Will there be any techs or special events for beach heads. I know that engineers made beach head operations sustainable untill major ports could be captured. Like D-Day. From D-day 7Jun1944 untill the libberated port of Cherbourg could be put back into opperations, engineers (mostly US navy Seabees) brought in 12000 tons of supplies and fuel daily to support the US opperations using mubery piers and rhino barges.

I dont think you need specific units but a reaserchable tech to support Amphibious Suplies would be reasonable IMO.

 

[Thomas Kenobi]

...to support the US opperations using mubery piers and rhino barges.

Might I remind you kind sir, of the "few" British and Canadian forces that were part of Operation Overlord?

 

[unmerged(134661)]

Might I remind you kind sir, of the "few" British and Canadian forces that were part of Operation Overlord?

Funny how that stuff is missed. After the landings, Polish and Free France troops also participated in combat.

 

[Driggsd]

Might I remind you kind sir, of the "few" British and Canadian forces that were part of Operation Overlord?

REALLY I did not know that I guess i am a stupid idiot for thinking that maybe thier logistic forces supported them. As I said the engineers (mainly US Navy Seabees) supoorted the US opperations. Now we might very well have supported the British and Commonwealth forces. But maybe I am just a ignorant for thinking the britsh took care of thier own.........................

I guess if I had said "to support ALLIED opperations" you would have brought up that the British and others had thier own logistical troops..... Damn just can please some people.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

In fairness to Driggsd, I read what he said as 'Americans supporting Americans'. It was not at all saying that the other allies didn't take part and are forgotten.

My interpretation, anyway.

 

[Alex_brunius]

2) On the port-supply thing.
- What about temporary docks a la Arromaches? Arromaches provided the supplies for the entire advance of the Allied armies all the way to Market Garden. While this wasn't intentional (due to Germans blowing Cherbourg away) it's still v. possible.
Maybe a '43-44 logistics tech?

Not really true. While it did help it could not sustain most of the larger shipping that needed a deepwater port. And the allies also got alot of help from smaller nearby ports as well as pipelines transporting fluids under the channel. They also got some supplies via air and some from the south when anvil broke through. So the managed, but only barely.

When Antwerp fell the supply situation for the allies was pretty critical. And hundreds of ships were waiting for a port to unload in.

I guess a temporary port might supply at most 10 or so Inf divisions if you have invested heavilly in Industrial efforts (1,200,000 ton concrete for the D-day port according to Wiki) and invested equally much in techs/doctrines to pioneer the methods. But it should in no way be a free easy fix allowing you to ignore ports.

 

[bosman]

It would be a bit odd if you could have a dock ready undeployed and as soon as you land then you could build it. (maybe if you had Mulberry style techs)...

Only solution I see is to make a slider - time vs. IC consumption. You could choose whether faster and more IC loading building or longer but cheaper per time. Biggest problem is the range

 

[Thomas Kenobi]

Driggsd: Ok, let's take a breath and relax here. It wasn't my intention to raise accusations or to call you "ignorant", as you claimed. I think it is pretty obvious, from my post, that I was joking (hence the presence of: ).

 

[Driggsd]

In actuality I think there may be a workaround for this. If , say for a D-day type invasion ) you prebuild 10 ports or so. Then boom by placing them you can pretty simmulate the effect off the temporary mulbaries and other style piers had.

As the mulbaries, gooseberies and others were prefabbed in the UK the effect is realy the same for game play vs reality.

 

[Markusw7]

In actuality I think there may be a workaround for this. If , say for a D-day type invasion ) you prebuild 10 ports or so. Then boom by placing them you can pretty simmulate the effect off the temporary mulbaries and other style piers had.

As the mulbaries, gooseberies and others were prefabbed in the UK the effect is realy the same for game play vs reality.

if HOI3 i like HOI2 in that respect you can't place airbases and navalbases in occupied territory.

 

[subnormalized]

if HOI3 i like HOI2 in that respect you can't place airbases and navalbases in occupied territory.

Really? I knew you couldn't deploy province improvements in unsupplied territory, but is it true that occupied is off-limits too?

Jonathan Fisher

 

[Markusw7]

Really? I knew you couldn't deploy province improvements in unsupplied territory, but is it true that occupied is off-limits too?

Jonathan Fisher

In my last HOI2 game i tried to place an airbase in former Sinkiang which had been annexed by the US and found that i could only place it in owned territory.

 

[Panzerschiffe]

if HOI3 i like HOI2 in that respect you can't place airbases and navalbases in occupied territory.

I had a fun time putting airbases all over Korea and Indochina as USSR when I fought against the Japanese in my most recent game so I don't believe that's true. I also put ports in UK occupied territory as well.

Not sure what went wrong in your game, might be some weird situational glitch.

 

[Bullfrog]

In actuality I think there may be a workaround for this. If , say for a D-day type invasion ) you prebuild 10 ports or so. Then boom by placing them you can pretty simmulate the effect off the temporary mulbaries and other style piers had.

As the mulbaries, gooseberies and others were prefabbed in the UK the effect is realy the same for game play vs reality.

There will obviously be a less exploitive workaround for the naval base convoy thing, as without one it would be impossible to supply your garrisons on certain islands in the Pacific...unless each island chain/region had a naval base on one island, and you had to control that particular island in the chain to receive supplies. I cannot say for sure. Though some islands were not in a chain with a naval base, such as Guadalcanal.

 

[afb]

Not very practical. Suicidal if there was any opposition... But possible????

Don't know anything specifically about Australian geography, but there are probably a lot of places where it is possible given enough time. But do we really want it in the game? If three old men with a rusty Mauser and a toothless dog could hold a norwegian cliff by themselves, then lets assume that they are there without any need for micromanaging.

 

[subnormalized]

In my last HOI2 game i tried to place an airbase in former Sinkiang which had been annexed by the US and found that i could only place it in owned territory.

Who were you playing? If you were in the Allies, but not USA, I can see not being able to deploy in territory you don't *personally* hold, but if you were fighting USA, I must confess some surprise...

Maybe I'll queue up some Airbases in my Nat Chi vs Dictatorship game and see where I can go...

Jonathan Fisher

 

[Markusw7]

Who were you playing? If you were in the Allies, but not USA, I can see not being able to deploy in territory you don't *personally* hold, but if you were fighting USA, I must confess some surprise...

Maybe I'll queue up some Airbases in my Nat Chi vs Dictatorship game and see where I can go...

Jonathan Fisher

communist china in the Doomsday scenario, the USA had annexed it but i controlled it and i couldn't put the airbases there i had to use Tibet instead

 

[Alex_brunius]

Perhaps two kinds of "naval bases" then?

# One standard with better defense and ability to repair ships. Can only be deployed in territory without damage infrastructure (away from battle).

# One temporary that needs research and improvements after 1942. Can't repair ships and is destroyed much faster. Is more expensive, builds quicker but can be deployed anywhere you have coastal acess to (not across oceans).

 

[Driggsd]

Sounds good alex, but i think that for the temporary ones you should have to have units with engineers atached. to be able to construct. IMO