LANDFILL PLACEMENT ‘&’ Associated Issues!

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OK ... Feel free to add to it. I'm more like clutching at straws as well as thinking out loud. I think if I implement these proposed solutions in the right order and think ahead somewhat I might just avoid some of the headaches my last city build attempt went through. A quick cut and paste of my random thoughts:
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LANDFILL PLACEMENT ‘&’ Associated Issues! ______________________________________
Forum Post → What are the main issues with using the landfill? As far as I can tell, it would seem to be POLLUTION and TRAFFIC:

I think I have been making the mistake of placing my landfill in my industrial zone. Not only does this seem to create traffic issues from all those dump tucks in an already dense truck zone, but also when I decide to rezone the industrial into say forestry the pollution from the dump kills the trees of the surrounding clean(ish) industry.

It seems a common reply to the Landfill issue is to get an incinerator:
Traffic issues can be a major issue with respect to the placement of incinerator and the traveling between landfill (which cannot be moved or deleted until empty) and incinerator during the emptying process.

The following pic is my proposed config with the expectation to put in an incinerator when the time comes to empty.
In a rush → just imagine something close with a little off road next to the landfill.

BUT – New questions comes to mind:

· Who is going to pick up the rubbish whilst both the incinerator and landfill are out of action?


· Should I think ahead to include space alongside the existing landfill for when it comes time to the ‘emptying into incinerator’ phase. Space not only for the incinerator (as previously discussed re less traffic issues and faster empting process.) but also for another landfill to keep trucks the dump trucks running from the same location:

Whilst I would have two landfills at the end of the emptying process, only one would be operating as per normal. Once the original land fill is empty I could delete or simply move to a more practical location. I could also switch it off in a new location for later use. Switching it on and off just as a backup?


INCINERATOR:

· How effective are these compared to a land fill.

· I ponder the cost early on Vs long term with regards to both money, traffic and pollution?

· How many incinerators and landfills? What ratio?

· If an incinerator has much less pollution, then I guess I could put close to where they are need most cutting back on traveling time?

· Whilst still having the odd land fill way out in the distance with an incinerator I could turn on and off for emptying purposes?


OTHER GAME DYNAMICS TO ASSIST GARBAGE REDUCTION:

· Policy Setting (Recycling)

· Districts (commercial organic produce specialization / green residential)

· Educate Citizens

· Land Value ???
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Am I on track ... or missing anything???
 

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I don't use landfills if I don't have to. I remove eventual starter ones. There's nothing wrong with placing incinerators in industrial or commercial zones. As Fox hinted at, recycling centers are not as ridiculously cheaper than incinerators as they were before, but they are still the best option, I think.

Edit: I put incinerators wherever, just keep them away from residentials:

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Make sure you use a road where garbage trucks can turn in both directions when they leave the facility.

Regarding policies, I think the basic "recycling" policy is more expensive than just placing more recycling centers. If you have a large city, your wish to save on the number of active vehicles may be greater. Be advised though that switching to such a policy late may have a rather detrimental effect on your finances, at least until the game waves it away again. Some of the "Green Cites" policies are definitely worth it though.
 
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Recycling Center?
Yea ... good call. I wonder at what ratio they would be in comparison to the other methods?

How many incinerators are needed to facilitate the same amount of rubbish removal as a land fill? (Same amount of trucks?

So to I wonder if one recycling plant is = to one land fill in terms of removing rubbish from the city?
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Like yea ... both the incinerator and recycling plant are great alternatives, but what is the impact when making those changes?

Two recycling plants at two different locations = the same same equivalent in rubbish removal but better traffic flow due to more than one location?

Can anyone comment of this aspect when making such changes?
 

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I don't use landfills if I don't have to. I remove eventual starter ones. There's nothing wrong with placing incinerators in industrial or commercial zones. As Fox hinted at, recycling centers are not as ridiculously cheaper than incinerators as they were before, but they are still the best option, I think.

Edit: I put incinerators wherever, just keep them away from residentials:


Make sure you use a road where garbage trucks can turn in both directions when they leave the facility.

Regarding policies, I think the basic "recycling" policy is more expensive than just placing more recycling centers. If you have a large city, your wish to save on the number of active vehicles may be greater. Be advised though that switching to such a policy late may have a rather detrimental effect on your finances, at least until the game waves it away again. Some of the "Green Cites" policies are definitely worth it though.

Good to know. TY. Kind of answers my previous question. I guess they all have a similar number of trucks?
 

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And Incinerators have a higher capacity and processing rate compared to Recycling Centers.
Yup. It's two recycling centers more or less equal to one incinerator. I haven't calculated the water and electricity costs to get a final cost comparison. The produced materials probably don't matter much.
 

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DigDave,
I don't own the Green Cities DLC, so I don't need to consider whether to use the Recycling Center or not.
But as far as the Landfill Site and the Incineration Plant is concerned, my advice is that you should always use the Incinerators when they become available for use, and stop using the Landfills (empty them, and then delete them).
The ground underneath and around where the Landfills sat will be polluted, but over a moderate amount of time, the ground pollution will be completely gone.

PS: On a similar note, now that you are aware of the Wiki page, you may want to read about the use of Cemeteries vs Crematoriums. With these, it could be beneficial for you to continue to use Cemeteries (I do) in conjunction to also using Crematoriums as your city grows. Read about this possible advantage in the Wiki page; scroll down to the Deathcare sub-section ... https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Healthcare#Deathcare
 

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