Land of childslaughter

[ziamatt]

That's exactly my point.

Perhaps you can then explain how Charles Martel's desire to not be invaded by Muslims resulted in the sack of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade?

 

[Talq]

Perhaps you could stop making false equivilences that are both off-topic & offensive?

I see no need for him to explain anything. You wouldn't be able to comprehend any explanation.

 

[ziamatt]

Perhaps you could stop making false equivilences that are both off-topic & offensive?

I don't really see how it's offensive.

I see no need for him to explain anything. You wouldn't be able to comprehend any explanation.

Of course he doesn't have to explain anything. I merely made a request for an explanation, but I'm under no illusion that he can't refuse my request.

 

[Octavio]

Right. Because the Crusades were totally about murdering random children who weren't responsible for the problem and weren't defensive wars to keep a highly aggressive group of invading heathens out of Christendom. Oh, wait...

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Of course I agree with you, but everything after "and weren´t defensive wars ..." is kinda biased, don´t you think? The first crusade happened in a time where muslims paid tribute to northern iberian kingdoms and... yeah, you can´t really say that catholic christendom cared much about what happened to the byzantines (pope-ecumenical patriarch duality, 4th crusade).
Also, the muslims were weakened when the first crusade arrived and many say that the atrocities of later crusades caused muslim rulers to unite.

 

[SamStarrett]

Perhaps you can then explain how Charles Martel's desire to not be invaded by Muslims resulted in the sack of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade?

Sure. Right after you explain how the American Founding Fathers' desire to be independent from Great Britain led to the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Perhaps you could stop making false equivilences that are both off-topic & offensive?

I see no need for him to explain anything. You wouldn't be able to comprehend any explanation.

^Win.

 

[SamStarrett]

(OT)
Of course I agree with you, but everything after "and weren´t defensive wars ..." is kinda biased, don´t you think?

Yes.

I admit it, I'm biased; that is, I have an opinion. I don't claim any kind of journalistic neutrality on this issue.

The first crusade happened in a time where muslims paid tribute to northern iberian kingdoms and... yeah, you can´t really say that catholic christendom cared much about what happened to the byzantines (pope-ecumenical patriarch duality, 4th crusade).

Insofar as Catholic Christendom responded specifically to Byzantine requests for help against the Moslems by raising the First Crusade, and insofar as that bit of unpleasantness in the Fourth Crusade came about a hundred years later, I think I can say that Catholic Christendom cared what happened to the Byzantines, actually, at least at the time of the First Crusade.

Also, the muslims were weakened when the first crusade arrived and many say that the atrocities of later crusades caused muslim rulers to unite.

Maybe. But they were giving the poor Byzzies quite a drubbing, "weakened" or not.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

You either kill babies or you don't. The game questions your moral.
You might do it sometimes or roleplay, but if you do it all times, its time to question your own morale.
Thanks PDS.

 

[Octavio]

@SamStarrett: I get that you don´t see any causal chain from the first and fourth crusade, but the post I quoted before sounds like the first crusade was just a defensive war in order to help fellow christians, when in reality, it was pure business and power-gambling...

Anyways, I think I understand you now.

 

[ziamatt]

Sure. Right after you explain how the American Founding Fathers' desire to be independent from Great Britain led to the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

What does that have to do with anything that I posted?

 

[Octavio]

What does that have to do with anything that I posted?

If you read his post #46, which he wrote replying to me, you´ll get it. I too had that error in reasoning, guess I´ll go to sleep now, hehe.