Lancaster & York

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Birger's made EUIII forum avatars for LAN and YOR

I can therefore presume that they will be in the game. I'd certainly like them to be anyway. As the game begins after the fall of Constantinople (May 28th, 1453), the entire Wars of the Roses (1455 - 1487) should be playable - suggesting that the Yorkists & Lancastrians will be playable in some form or another

How do you think they will be modeled in EUIII?

Any suggestions or comments; how do you chaps think such revolter nations should be handled?

 

[Rotten Venetic]

They'll probably revolt from england and the winning faction will re-create it. Or perhaps one faction will rebel and the rest of England will become the other...

 

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They'll probably revolt from england and the winning faction will re-create it. Or perhaps one faction will rebel and the rest of England will become the other...

With the lack of an AGCEEP-style event chain for the WotR, I would suspect you're right. I wonder how Paradox will model the whole affair, considering we are able to load up on any day throughout the conflict.

The same goes with all civil wars, I suppose. Generally speaking, I hope nations aren't physically split into revolter tags which battle each other and then make peace and end up splitting their mother countries' for indeffinite periods of time.

IMO (unless P'dox have thought up a new and super idea instead ), the best course of action would be to model the WotR with revolts, economic problems and stability drops, etc. Flavour events are also nice - I'm sure P'dox have thought up loads of scenario-specific events for these sorts of things as well

Mind you, LAN & YOR could just be to represent their respective counties - though I hope this isn't the case

 

[riskbreaker86]

being from yorkshire it would be very cool to see them in the game!

 

[Barkdreg]

I seem to remember readintg about civil wars in some update. The only peace option allowed in those are annexing each other.

I hope I'm right

 

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I seem to remember readintg about civil wars in some update. The only peace option allowed in those are annexing each other.

I hope I'm right

So do I, assuming civil wars are indeed carried out that way. Well, certain civil wars anyway - obviously there won't be at least two tags for each nation. Most civil wars will simply be generic, circumstance-specific events I would presume.

 

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Oh well, I don't mind how it works, so long as I can conquer England & France in the name of the House of York

And likewise for Lancaster, when I'm finished

 

[Rotten Venetic]

There'd be enough countries to go around for civil wars. 1600s Turkey for example could get Serbia, Egypt, Armenia and Bulgaria in a civil war; France can have Dauphne, Auvergne, Orleans, Bretagne; England, at first the two roses then the Puritans and perhaps English Catholics; if they own France or the low countries maybe they could revolt as well/instead. The Rhine Palatinate could have Mainz, maybe even Pfalz; Austria could get Tirol; Russia has a lot of options including tatars, chernigov, novgorod, tver, vladimir, yaroslavl etc or even moskow. Livonian brothers have courland and prussia. Poland has Galicia and Masovia.

And so forth... of course, one-province minors should never get civil wars as they are too small.

One thing: after 5 years of war, between the nation suffering from civil war and the revolter(s), normal peace aggreements should become available although annexation should be an option until 20 years, all conditions for annexation being disregarded until then.

 

[AdmiralNelson]

As the game begins after the fall of Constantinople (May 28th, 1453), the entire Wars of the Roses (1453 - 1485) should be playable - suggesting that the Yorkists & Lancastrians will be playable in some form or another :D

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I've always seen 1455 as the start date and most sources, but not Wikipedia, list 1487 as their end date.

[URL=http://www.warsoftheroses.com/timeline.cfm]Clicky.[/URL]

But, if Paradox sees 1453 as the start date, we could have to choose one house over the other. :eek:

 

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I think that England of EU3 might be the Bohemia of EU2, where you are hit with a variety of events early in the game making it quite enjoyable.

The post raises a great point of civil wars: as in civl wars both sides fought for total victory. How will that be implemented through the diplomatic model is something maybe the next dev diary could address?

 

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being from yorkshire it would be very cool to see them in the game!

...even if it isn't there....like in EU2....you will probably have the ability to mod it.

 

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I've always seen 1455 as the start date and most sources, but not Wikipedia, list 1487 as their end date.

Clicky.

But, if Paradox sees 1453 as the start date, we could have to choose one house over the other.

if it comes with a cronologic error...you'll probably be able to mod it!


...all you'll have to do is screwing around with the Revolt.txt.

 

[Rotten Venetic]

...and probably some event triggers, leader files and such. You don't want "rebel" leaders to be allowed to England before the war breaks out!

 

[Dairpo]

What does "WotR" mean?

 

[jonti-h]

What does "WotR" mean?

It is the War of the Roses.

 

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...and probably some event triggers, leader files and such. You don't want "rebel" leaders to be allowed to England before the war breaks out!

Well, I gather leader & monarch files will be relatively simple. Everything's "random" anyway, in so far as I don't think leaders will just appear at pre-determined dates at specific locations. Therefore, the leader file will just contain the names of leaders for when we create them.

Likewise, monarch files (to use LAN and YOR, as examples: you would get plenty of Henrys, and a few Edwards for the former, and a lot of Edwards and Richards for the latter) are fairly generic in so far as you simply have the monarchs that have historically existed previously for said nation. There's a Swedish example that Johan posted in one of the diaries; I'm sure some like-minded chap will be happy to post it here at some point

I'm almost 100% certain that the EUII concept of leaders will not be in EUIII. At any rate, I certainly hope this is the case, and from previous screenshots regarding generals, admirals, and conquistadors, etc, it would certainly seem so.

So, the only way you'd get the same leader for a nation (ie, ENG and PUR both having Cromwell at the same time), is if you had that leader name in both countries' randomleader.txt

Of course, as ever we may be utterly wrong, and things could be a lot different...

 

[Assos]

I think it is great that the Houses of Lancaster & York have flags. The WotR is a great civil war event, along with the Commonwealth of Cromwell. To have two English nations that might be able to survive would be cool. Like a state of perment war between the two houese. Love the flags too!

 

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I think it is great that the Houses of Lancaster & York have flags. The WotR is a great civil war event, along with the Commonwealth of Cromwell. To have two English nations that might be able to survive would be cool. Like a state of perment war between the two houese. Love the flags too!

I know, it's wonderful isn't it?

Did you know that Northumberland has it's own avatar as well? So, I will assume that is a revolter as well. Though not as well known as the Houses of York & Lancaster, Northumberland did of course have a couple of very prestigious noble families who fought for either side, and often swapped accordingly; most notably the Percys and the Nevilles.

Here's the avatar for NOL, the arms of Henry Percy

 

[Assos]

This gets better all the time.... The Scot, the Lancasters, the Yorks, the Welch, and now Northumberians!

Break up them Brits!

 

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This gets better all the time.... The Scot, the Lancasters, the Yorks, the Welch, and now Northumberians!

Break up them Brits!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Dont forget the Royalists :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: