[LAG] After .17 patch it lags even more :(

[unmerged(243048)]

Hope you mean CPU and not GPU.

Please have a look at a post I made in another thread.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...phic-cards&p=12165295&highlight=#post12165295

I'm pretty sure he meant CPU. As stated in here and in the other thread, the bottleneck of this game is CPU when you have a highly-populated city and several lines (each line makes pathfinding more complex).

 

[Michael11]

It could be helpful if someone would upload a super-cpu-heavy savegame. Maybe we are doing something differently here so it doesn't slow down so much. Note that if you have as much people on the screen as in the picture above you may be limited by GPU.

You probably mean CPU instead of GPU because mine is more bored than my CPU. Here you go...

 

[Michael11]

It could be helpful if someone would upload a super-cpu-heavy savegame. Maybe we are doing something differently here so it doesn't slow down so much. Note that if you have as much people on the screen as in the picture above you may be limited by GPU.

You probably mean CPU instead of GPU because mine is more bored than my CPU. Here you go...

Testet my Savegame yet?

 

[gebbiz]

Yes, on normal game speed i get 20-70 fps depending on how much stuff is on the screen. The fastest mode is quite slow (although it wasn't even designed to be playable, just to skip time faster).

 

[unmerged(273319)]

Then what kind of CPU you need to make sure the city with 30 lines doesn't run at 5fps?

 

[unmerged(310580)]

I wrote this already, but i will post it once again: on my configuration (see below) the game's also unplayable after designing 10 lines. That's why i'm not playing CiM anymore, other games are running without problems, this one is driving me crazy after opening some lines...

Configuration: http://www.sysprofile.de/id151317

 

[Michael11]

Yes, on normal game speed i get 20-70 fps depending on how much stuff is on the screen. The fastest mode is quite slow (although it wasn't even designed to be playable, just to skip time faster).

Then some of my Hardware/Driver Software is incompatible with the game Please try to find out what and integrate it into a patch.
Configuration -> http://www.sysprofile.de/id52801

 

[unmerged(105110)]

with 17 it started lagging a little bit but with the speed of x2 it was still playable. with version 19 even x2 is too laggy.
In the settings I turned off all the check boxes and and minimized all the other settings.

and this the info about my gfx card:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 5/22/2011, 15:54:05
Machine name: IGGY-PC
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vistasp2_gdr.101014-0432)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: alienware
System Model: Alienware M17
BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL;
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
Memory: 3066MB RAM
Page File: 1395MB used, 4943MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Sound Tab 4: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9509)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9509&SUBSYS_207A161F&REV_00
Display Memory: 1785 MB
Dedicated Memory: 507 MB
Shared Memory: 1277 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: HP 2511 Series Wide LCD Monitor
Driver Name: atidxx32.dll,atidxx64,atiumdag.dll,atiumdva.cap,atiumd64,atiumd6a,atitmm64
Driver Version: 7.15.0010.0134 (English)
DDI Version: 10.1
BGRA Supported: No
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 7/24/2008 20:58:08, 1716736 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D649-11CF-F477-7000A1C2CA35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x9509
SubSys ID: 0x207A161F
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

i think i have a pretty decent card, am I wrong? why is it so laggy?

Thanks.

 

[unmerged(273319)]

It's the game, nothing to do with hardware.

 

[rcrowle]

Not sure if this helps, but i have had a lag about 2 or 3 times, and i found that saving the game then exiting and restarting the program fixes the problem. The game appears to be running fast again

 

[unmerged(105110)]

Not sure if this helps, but i have had a lag about 2 or 3 times, and i found that saving the game then exiting and restarting the program fixes the problem. The game appears to be running fast again

Thanks for the suggestion; however, restarting has no effect, still laggy.

I guess the best answer can be given by CO.

 

[unmerged(316005)]

That really sounds like you would have severe memory leak issues. When I bought myself CitiesXL2010 I had experienced similar errors, rendering the game unplayable for me.

But luckily, CiM works quite well. The game only starts lagging slightly on larger maps with more than 40 lines and more severely on XL maps with more than 40 lines. And in fast forward, of course.

Does anyone of you know if having more RAM would help a bit? And what about the CPUs, a the moment I have an Athlon II Triple Core with 3,2 Ghz (Overclocked) - would a real Dual-Core Design (like Athlon 64) work better?

 

[gebbiz]

Iggydarsa: Your graphic card is just at the minimum requirements so very good performance is not expected. However the patches shouldn't affect the framerate so if you are using any mods try disabling them.
Monolith: To get the best performance with CIM it's most optimal to have a dual core cpu with high clock frequency. The amount of RAM probably doesn't make any difference (unless it's very low).

 

[unmerged(316005)]

What I was going for was, does having a third core have any negative effects on the performance compared to a true 2-core design with equal clock?

 

[unmerged(105110)]

Iggydarsa: Your graphic card is just at the minimum requirements so very good performance is not expected. However the patches shouldn't affect the framerate so if you are using any mods try disabling them.

It is dissapointing to hear that it is at minimum... 3 years ago it was top notch and i bought it purely for gaming... damn technology!

The game only starts lagging slightly on larger maps with more than 40 lines and more severely on XL maps with more than 40 lines. And in fast forward, of course.

Same here.

 

[unmerged(273319)]

More than 40 lines? Try more than 10-15.

 

[TH1]

C'mon, i'm running the game on a laptop and the framerate is bad from the start (it's usable in normal speed), but it doesn't get much worse on my medium map even with 3x lines...So 10-15 lines didn't decrease performance for me...

 

[KouDy]

What is high CPU clock really? On the first map of campaign (just made trams), i am getting about 15 fps in normal speed on this rig :
Intel C2Q Q9450 @ 2.66GHz, 4GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460, Windows Vista Ultimate SP2

 

[unmerged(273319)]

I think they should decrease the animations/quality for the pedestrians. When you have a lot of them at the stations, and you have a lot of stations, the game grinds to a halt.

inb4 some CIM apologist with "LOL DONT BUILD STATIONS N00B".

 

[KouDy]

I can agree to that. Building stations in such game. Total noobishness ...
/sarcasm off

I think it would be really nice to do 3 steps
1) Use GPU more as in general it's more powerful than CPU. Load of my GPU with CiM on is like 30% if much.
2) 64-bit client. Come on, a lot of people have 64-bit system so why not to put it to some use...
3) Quad-core support. We have CPU heavy game here but it uses only 2 cores.