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That is exactly the problem. The Royalists are blind to the very existence of minorities in our nation, let alone their plight!
Circumstances change,and so do the people with them.If they indeed wish to serve the Grand Duke and God,let them be Occitans.
 

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Read the bible :) And you'll see that both God and Jesus are pro-Jewish, and that Khaleps words and actions goes against His will and teachings, especially because He is opposed to using religion to further once own personal or political power.
Madame, You remind me of someone I once used to know, a long-long time a ago, in another world.
 

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Circumstances change,and so do the people with them.If they indeed wish to serve the Grand Duke and God,let them be Occitans.

Indeed. And should they wish otherwise?
 

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((Seriously, there are next to no Basque people in Occitania, as far as I know. The only lands with concentrations of Basque people in modern France are far west, in Aquitaine))
 

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Of course, we need to ensure the stability of our nation and liberate our people.

((It would be the most likely mentality of a newly founded nation with their countrymen still outside their borderds.))

However I only support that we have the Occitan lands, and that the Catalan and Basque lands to be freed from the Spanish enclave or be released as satelite states of us. Freedom to all the people oppressed by France and Spain! ((In France and Iberia))

And French Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia is only waiting for them to be safeguarded by the Occitans!
 

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Should they wish otherwise,then that should only stay a wish.

Then you sir, are an oppressor. No better than those French aristocrats who oppressed the Occitanians and other minorities in times past.
 

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Our unity arises from his Highness, the Duke.
And the Grand Duke derives his power from the Prussian bayonets.

However, since you force the question upon me: I would not be opposed to encouraging our fellows to learn our tradition language, which is far from a challenge given that the differences between Occitan and French and Catalan should not be overstressed. But I do not in any way regard Occitan as a "superior tongue" or something of the sort. Such would be preposterous.
How refreshing it is to hear an honest answer. It is bad when others force Occitanians to assimilate to their culture, but it is good to "encourage" others to assimilate to Occitan. What "encouragement" means is left to the imagination, but I find it absurd that it means polite argument over supper. Fascinating that the reaction pretends to hold itself to a higher principle than might makes right - or as it calls it, the principle of the "mob" - but proves entirely willing to act upon that principle itself.

The Church has provided a proper, Catholic education since time immemorial. Access to this has in the past been restricted, which is the very reason why we propose investment to expand its reach.

Now, I do not presume to speak for the Royal-Alliance at all, mind you. But I would not want for our youth, or our peasants to be exposed to a non-christian creed. On the other hand, I do not mind the Jews or the gentiles. I bear them no grudge, God judges, not we. At any rate, they would be quite welcome in school, if they decide to participate in a proper fashion, that is.
And again "participation in the proper fashion" is left for the listener to define. Fortunately we need not pull the meanings of words from the ether, but can look to history. "Participation in the proper fashion" under the Old Regime meant "conversion, even under duress, to Christianity." And that is the only way to make sense of the reactionary position. How else might a Christian attend the same school as a Jew and not be "exposed to a non-Christian creed," unless the Jew be forced to apostate himself?

As for the broader question, giving the Church control over education implies giving it discretion over who to admit. One cannot have it both ways. Either we have education for all, or we give the Church control over education and allow it to exclude whoever it wants.
 

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But Monsieur Khalep, what you propose is slavery.

That can only plausibly be true, Sénher, if - and I say if - you contend that our noble farmers are locked into the chains of bondage.
Such simply is not the case. The free farmers form the bedrock of our nation, they are our pride and our greatest strength. What I propose is to let each serve the task he is best suited to, be that leading, preaching or sowing and reaping. That is not slavery, it is contented peace.
 

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Can't we all just agree that as the Occitan people, we are God's chosen. Therefore everyone in our country must assimilate or be ejected from the country.

Seems simple enough.
 

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Then you sir, are an oppressor. No better than those French aristocrats who oppressed the Occitanians and other minorities in times past.
When you give something,Monsieur Tanzhang,you expect to take something.If these people wish to cause trouble to our nation,they can most certainly leave.We won't deny them that right for sure.
But let's not forget that we exist only because the Kaiserreich wishes for us to exist.If we were to do things that would delay it's goals,we would only find us in a position worse than that of now.If we were to release these people rather than protect them,who would be there to guarantee their existence as states? Both the Catalan and the Basque states would be absorbed either by Spain or by France one way or another. Let's not forget that France stil has claims on our region and it would certainly pursue those claims in the newly sustained states of the Basques and the Catalans.
 

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That can only plausibly be true, Sénher, if - and I say if - you contend that our noble farmers are locked into the chains of bondage.
Such simply is not the case. The free farmers form the bedrock of our nation, they are our pride and our greatest strength. What I propose is to let each serve the task he is best suited to, be that leading, preaching or sowing and reaping. That is not slavery, it is contented peace.

And if that goes against his will, what then? Who is this man who stands before me, and purports to have the powers and judgement of a god? Who are you, a Duke, or anyone else to say what profession a man is best suited to?
 

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Catalans are simply Occitans speaking a garbled tongue. They are second class citizens, righteous pagans of Europe.
 

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Can't we all just agree that as the Occitan people, we are God's chosen. Therefore everyone in our country must assimilate or be ejected from the country.

Seems simple enough.

The Bible clearly stats that Jews are God's chosen people. Anything else is highly heretical in the eyes of all of Christendom.
 

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Catalans are simply Occitans speaking a garbled tongue. They are second class citizens, righteous pagans of Europe.

You're not keeping up with the whole Hellfire and zealotry thing for this AAR, are you? :p
 

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The Bible clearly stats that Jews are God's chosen people. Anything else is highly heretical in the eyes of all of Christendom.

My God, he's right! We must convert the realm to Judaism immediately!
 

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My God, he's right! We must convert the realm to Judaism immediately!

Yes :D Or make a Jewish state in Israel :) The last Crusade, and you'll be eternally graced by God for liberating His people.

And she*
 

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And French Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia is only waiting for them to be safeguarded by the Occitans!... Yes Or make a Jewish stat in Israel The last Crusade, and you'll be eternally graced by God for liberating His people.

Who let this aggressive woman in? She will have us all killed before the end, mark my words.

Tanzhang said:
And if that goes against his will, what then? Who is this man who stands before me, and purports to have the powers and judgement of a god? Who are you, a Duke, or anyone else to say what profession a man is best suited to?

Ah, but I do not judge any such thing at all. God decides upon the lot of mortal man and man's lot is thus shown through his live living it.
Man is always best suited to whatever it is he is doing at present, but perhaps he is on a path towards some greater purpose, which he may - God willing - achieve later on in life. Who can say?

Our views are quite similar, but I have faith in God's ability to provide the means for man to achieve his destiny.