Am I to infer from this statement that the reaction will revoke the liberation of the Jews?
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L'Etat c'est Roi. I beg to differ, any state is merely the sum of its people. It is the people who make a nation, monsieur Khalep, all of them - not just a select few privileged by an accident of birth.
Do not falsely accuse me of speaking with a false tongue, Sénher. I do not decry the French, or France, but you must agree that we are French no longer for we no longer inhabit that particular nation. We are Occitans now, as I myself happen to have always already been - culturally and linguistically that is.
As to your questions; the Church provides for education, as it has always done. The state shall support these efforts, not restrict them through any kind of language policy. That is not the proper terrain for the state. As for your other matters, that is for the Duke - in his God-given wisdom - to decide upon.
And yet, you and your party act towards the French and other minorities in exactly the same manner as the oppressive French monarchs of old acted towards the Occitains. Pray tell, what does the Bible say about turning the other cheek?
What if we demote the Frenck king to grand duke, and promote our grand duke to king? 
I.e conquering France This of course should not be taken seriously. But I don't see any problems with promoting our Monarch to King. Maybe we could get (grand-) dukes for the occitan areas we conquer. I.e Spanish Occitania, Italo Occitania and Central-French Occitania. ((Use the last map as refference)
And I've a feeling our nation look like this:
That means we still have some areas to expand to unite all occitans:
I.e conquering France This of course should not be taken seriously. But I don't see any problems with promoting our Monarch to King. Maybe we could get (grand-) dukes for the occitan areas we conquer. I.e Spanish Occitania, Italo Occitania and Central-French Occitania. ((Use the last map as refference)And I've a feeling our nation look like this:
That means we still have some areas to expand to unite all occitans:
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The Jews are a source of instability to the nation, as are all heretics who oppose the Truth of our Lord and the Mother Church.
But I, personally, would oppose a persecution of the Jews and gentiles. Their practices must be kept far removed from the public domain, preferably behind closed doors, but that is all.
However, I cannot speak for the Duke and perhaps he decides otherwise. I cannot say.
Tanzhang said:
We are quite agreed. And yet God has endowed each of us with different gifts and different tasks and purposes under Heaven.
It is for the good of all to do one's lot in life and do it well. The government must equally ensure the welfare of the small-folk and that of the clergy and the nobility. Yet that does not mean that one must ask a farmer to lead the nation, much like you would not expect him to give a sermon in church. No, the state must be led by those who are capable of doing so and that certainly means the Duke and his appointed advisors.
Feudalism! It is the individual who decides what he himself is capable of, not the family to whom he was born into!
The reaction has put forth statements decrying French assimilationism, but you advocate "one nation" in Occitania. The only concrete meaning that phrase can possibly have is Occitan assimilationism. So which is it? Is assimilationism a crime against the nation, or the means by which Occitania secures its national salvation?
You speak of fictions! The fact is that for all its history, the Church has not provided for education. Or rather, it has consistently failed to attempt the education of the immense majority of the people, and deliberately excluded others, including pre-liberation Jews. The history of that people, my mother's people, is instructive. They were posed a choice by the Old Regime: convert or face exclusion from the life of society. As far as I can tell, the reaction would force non-Occitan-speakers to make that same choice with respect to language rather than religion.
EDIT: and now we have confirmation that the reaction would exclude Jews from the religious - the only - schools, and would welcome a return to "private" persecution. This is a repeal of the liberation in all but name, a worse throwback than even Prussia represents. The reaction would have us recreate Tsarism on the Mediterranean.
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Even the Russians aren't that backwards. But Monsiuer Khalep is disillusionized and a fanatic. He will ironically be condemmned to hell by God
But French North Africa, and Algeria, Tripoli, Morocoo and Tunisia would be wise areas for us to expand to ensure our control of the meditarrian. And it can be a good way to maybe.. control Egypt.
But French North Africa, and Algeria, Tripoli, Morocoo and Tunisia would be wise areas for us to expand to ensure our control of the meditarrian. And it can be a good way to maybe.. control Egypt.
There can be no oppression in equality. You and your party divide our fine fellow citizens into somehow incompatible cultures. I embrace my fellows. That is not an act of aggression.
And Sénher, if you wish to conduct a closer study of the Bible you should seek a man of the cloth, not a mere layman such as myself - I might get it wrong.
Tanzhang said:
Surely God ensures that all are born to their proper station, barring those few exceptions of stellar brilliance for whom the challenge of their low birth merely adds experience to their later achievements?
We only seek to liberate individuals to live the lives they choose. If a Basque wishes to remain in our nation, we do not feel the need to force him to do so. On the other hand, should he wish to join another, the reactionaries would prevent him from doing so. That is oppression by its very definition.
God helps those who help themselves, who improve themselves through industry and hard work. Your party however, would seek to enslave all men, and confine them to their caste. It is nothing less than Feudalism that you propose.
How brazen and blasphemous a statement! It is God alone who decides the salvation or damnation of a man. You slander Sénher Khalep terribly in making such a statement, and in commiting such a foul act, you harm your political stance, I dare say. If you truly wish to make your 'liberal' stance more appealing, I would advise you rise above petty lies and insults such as this.Even the Russians aren't that backwards. But Monsiuer Khalep is disillusionized and a fanatic. He will ironically be condemmned to hell by God
Who says we would oppose the emigration of those who do not wish to be a part of our blessed nation?
Our unity arises from his Highness, the Duke. It requires no creation, it is.
However, since you force the question upon me: I would not be opposed to encouraging our fellows to learn our tradition language, which is far from a challenge given that the differences between Occitan and French and Catalan should not be overstressed. But I do not in any way regard Occitan as a "superior tongue" or something of the sort. Such would be preposterous.
Zimmerwald said:
The Church has provided a proper, Catholic education since time immemorial. Access to this has in the past been restricted, which is the very reason why we propose investment to expand its reach.
Now, I do not presume to speak for the Royal-Alliance at all, mind you. But I would not want for our youth, or our peasants to be exposed to a non-christian creed. On the other hand, I do not mind the Jews or the gentiles. I bear them no grudge, God judges, not we. At any rate, they would be quite welcome in school, if they decide to participate in a proper fashion, that is.
You would however oppose the creation of a Basque state. Without one, there is nowhere for a Basque man to go. Serfdom under the reactionaries would be his lot.
Read the bible
And you'll see that both God and Jesus are pro-Jewish, and that Khaleps words and actions goes against His will and teachings, especially because He is opposed to using religion to further once own personal or political power.
Read the bible
Would it be wise for me to assume that Madame Rosé is also Jewish?
I know not what you are talking about. There is no large concentration of Basque people in Occitania, as the Basque are from the ancient kingdom of Navarre, primarily, which we hold no part of. Indeed, if I am not mistaken, it is only Dòna Howard who wishes us to push into Spain to 'liberate' those peoples.
What would a Basque gain from leaving our nation, in which he is not at all repressed? We must work, and work hard to provide a safe home and proper station for all our fellows. It can hardly be considered our responsebility to provide the Basque with anything more than all other citizens: the Duke's protection.
Tanzhang said:
No, you are taking to extremes now. We wish to maintain a sense of national peace and prosperity after these years of war which were preceded by the terrors of the revolution, and you claim we would cast our lesser fellows in slavery! This is a very radical reading of my - and our! - aims.
That is exactly the problem. The Royalists are blind to the very existence of minorities in our nation, let alone their plight!