Koxinga, Tungning and unify China

[Yhekal]

Hi,

A question - what if Koxinga (Zheng Chenggong) managed to conquer mainland China and start a new dynasty - would/could I rename Tungning tag to "Zheng" (so it's kind of continuation in country naming: Yuan->Ming->Zheng)?

"Until its annexation by the Qing dynasty in 1683, the kingdom was ruled by Koxinga's heirs, the House of Koxinga, and the period of rule is sometimes referred to as the Koxinga dynasty or the Zheng dynasty."
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Tungning

Thanks.

 

[JKiller96]

If you wanted a simple name change of the tag, you can go into the localization folder in the main EU4 folder and ENG - Countries text file (unsure of the exact name) and replace the name with the one you'd like.

Tungning may be in a secondary country localization folder, also.

This still allows achievements.

 

[Yhekal]

If you wanted a simple name change of the tag, you can go into the localization folder in the main EU4 folder and ENG - Countries text file (unsure of the exact name) and replace the name with the one you'd like.

Tungning may be in a secondary country localization folder, also.

This still allows achievements.

Thank you for information.

I am sorry for confusion. My question was not a technical one. More sort of a linguistic/cultural type. And probably for a person speaking Chinese.
Can "Zheng", as a dynasty, be a tag name (like "Ming") or would it be something awkward/silly.

 

[Kerbourgnec]

I don't think it would make sense. The Dynasty name is (almost) never the ruler's family name.

If you consider the conquest of China as a Ming reconquest, you could also be named Ming.

If Koxinga would use another former dynasty to legitimize himself, you could use its name (Han, Song, Tang, Sui...)

You could use another name linked to the dynasty's element or to symbolize a new era.

 

[Yhekal]

"The short answer is that the Zhou Dynasty didn’t put the family name as the name of the dynasty. So the dynasty after it inherited the tradition.
The longer answer is that the “family name” wasn’t a family name but a mother’s name in the Zhou Dynasty and before it. Every noble and mid-class man actually had two “family names”, one from mom another dad. The two names only became indistinguishable in the later era.
The thing got even more complex given that under the feudal structure of the Zhou Dynasty if you weren’t the eldest son who can inherit the title of your dad, you would be appointed to be the lord/minister of a lower branch or at least the distant land. If that’s the case, you would actually get a new family name that would replace your father’s name (and your sons after the eldest one would repeat the circle). That new name was usually based on the region you were assigned to govern. So if you as a noble have five sons, literately four of them would have a different “father’s name” with you and your oldest son.
So the mother’s name can tell that the two houses share the same origin, but the father name can tell that they are different from each other such that they can avoid incest as well as determine the hierarchy and maintain the political order in the Zhou’s political structure in case the younger son would want to backstab the elder one (though that still happened anyway).
In this case, using any family name to name your dynasty seems inappropriate in the Zhou Dynasty."


"Generally, Chinese dynasties’ names come from the founders’ original titles or manors. Which is actually has a similar naming rule as Europe.
For example, Qin Dynasty (秦朝) comes from the State of Qin (秦国). Han Dynasty (汉朝) comes from Liu Bang’s title - King of Han (汉王). Tang Dynasty (唐朝) comes from Li Yuan’s title - Duke of Tang (唐国公). And Song Dynasty (宋朝) comes from Zhao Kuangyin’s title - Governor of Guide (归德军节度使), which in rule the Song Prefectural (宋州).
The only reason that made the dynasty name and family name different was the royal families didn’t use their manors’ or titles’ names to rename their families. Because in China, the family names (姓)(from matriline) come from very ancient time, much early than the dynasties and royal families came out. and then, the clan names (氏)(from paternal line) replaced the family names before Han Dynasty, and fixed as new surnames. So, it’s not necessary to pick manors’ or titles’ names as the royal family names."


source: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Chine...-the-Zhu-family-why-is-it-not-the-Zhu-dynasty



"In reference to its reigning house of Koxinga, the Kingdom of Tungning is sometimes known as the Zheng dynasty (Chinese: 鄭氏王朝; pinyin: Zhèngshì Wángcháo; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Tēⁿ--sī Ông-tiâu), Zheng clan Kingdom (Chinese: 鄭氏王國; pinyin: Zhèngshì Wángguó; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Tēⁿ--sī Ông-kok) or Yanping Kingdom (Chinese: 延平王國; pinyin: Yánpíng Wángguó; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Iân-pêng Ông-kok), named after Koxinga's hereditary title of "Prince of Yanping" (Chinese: 延平郡王; pinyin: Yánpíng jùnwáng) that bestowed by the Yongli emperor of the South Ming"
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Tungning


So, perhaps, "Yanping"... Or I could just stick to "Tungning", as the above inserts can (in a way) suggest.

 

[KAOLAWANSUI]

Zheng Chenggong was named the king of chao（潮）, but he did not accept, as long as the Tungning（东宁）So you can use chao