Kosova should be Albanian culture

[yerm]

Just make the entire Balkan region all one single generic "South Slavic" culture, with no problematic identification like Serbian or Albanian or Croatian etc, and then make it a universally non-accepted culture, even if it's your primary. In fact, if it's your primary culture, it's impossible to accept any culture. Ever. For any reason.

I cite this forum as my reference.

 

[DanubianCossak]

I have no idea what culture Kosovo should have at the start of EUIV, but what we really need a completely new mechanic for determine accepted cultures.

There are provinces (Baltics) where you have 50.000+ natives in the country side, and maybe 5000 Germans in the capital city = culture = prussian.

Of course thats where we run into problems.

Balkans is mountains.

We know Albanians lived in Kosovo.

But Serbs lived in cities, owned the property and worked the mines (ever since Serbian state controlled the area and trade, makes sense, right?).

Whoever controlled the land, cared about collecting taxes, makes sense right?

When you have hills and mountains without roads, its difficult to collect taxes, and sometimes even conquer that land, right? (independent Montenegro surrounded by Ottomans for ages, for example).

So people who control the land, tend to tax the people living in cities. Because, you know, its easy to catch them and tax them. They have nowhere to run to.

Therefor people who collect taxes like to do censuses, to count the numbers of households with their particularities (such as religion) so that they can create a reliable and predictable expectation of the amount of taxes that are collected. (makes sense, right?)

So they end up doing censuses in cities, because, remember, thats where they can collect taxes easily.

And thus we have Serbian majority, as is Johan-pleasing.

 

[Will Steel]

Kosovo is a gold mine province? Thanks, now I know what my Venetian armies are going to attack in my current game.

 

[Roki_09]

"In the 2011 census the declared religious affiliation of the population was: 56.7% Muslims, 13.79% undeclared, 10.03% Catholics, 6.75% Orthodox believers, 5.49% other, 2.5% Atheists, 2.09% Bektashis and 0.14% other Christians.[11]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Albania
Yes the majority of albanians are Muslim. No there is not much evidence to suggest direct causal relationship between adopting islam and adopting albanian culture...

First thing this are some stats for Albania not Kosovo. Dont forget that Albanias had a different treatmant then Serbs in Ottoman Empire.

Also when you mention Albania it is fitting to post this here:

n 1582, in Ottoman defter "Tahrir defterleri", most of northern Albania had Serb populations; the Sanjak of Scutari had 81,700 Serbs, while Durrës Sandjak had 8,600 Serbs. In the east of the Shkodra lake there were Serb enclaves, also attested in place-names: Zlogora, Brezje, Grnčar, Podgor, Kosmač, Gradič, Dobre, Trnoslav, Gradec, Rumište, Maličevo, Kosovo, Brdence, Poljičani, Popine, and the village Srbin and city of Šklav.[25][26] The 1582—1583 Scutari defter show many nahiyah with a total of 709 villages

So technically people should be arguing that northern Albania should get a Serbian culture!


Some reading material, for something more do your own research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_minority_in_Albania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanisation

 

[Marcus Septim]

Just make the entire Balkan region all one single generic "South Slavic" culture, with no problematic identification like Serbian or Albanian or Croatian etc, and then make it a universally non-accepted culture, even if it's your primary. In fact, if it's your primary culture, it's impossible to accept any culture. Ever. For any reason.

I cite this forum as my reference.

ehm albanian has nothing to do with slavic...

 

[yerm]

ehm albanian has nothing to do with slavic...

Fine, call it South Slavic and Illyrian. Or just Balkan. Or just make the whole region wasteland. Or, best solution, make everything either Austrian or Turkish culture, no exceptions.

 

[gdj]

Albanian is in the South Slavic group for gameplay reasons, not because of linguistic criteria. For the same reason Breton was moved to the French group, despite being Gaelic.

But frankly, these discussions are pointless.

Why dont you simply use the nation designer if you dont like the current culture setup, instead of repeatedly trying to force your nationalist fantasies upon everyone else? You can design the entire Balkans, or all of Europe to be Albanian if you feel better then.

 

[ThePatriotOfDreumel]

Fine, call it South Slavic and Illyrian. Or just Balkan. Or just make the whole region wasteland. Or, best solution, make everything either Austrian or Turkish culture, no exceptions.

Congratulations on your 3,000th post!

We should make it all Turkish, I agree.

 

[NetherViking]

Albanian is in the South Slavic group for gameplay reasons, not because of linguistic criteria. For the same reason Breton was moved to the French group, despite being Gaelic.

I was wondering about that. Also about Normandy not being an accepted culture by England on a related note. Not that that particular bit bothers me a great deal.

 

[gdj]

Indeed! Breton was often culture converted by France before this was changed, which led to the loss of Brittanys cores even before 1600. By changing this with the Common Sense patches, Breton is preserved - and Brittany can be released in peace deals, giving you a great staging area for attacks on France from the west....

 

[EldarPanic]

The balkans should just be gypsy culture and this way everybody would be pleased.

 

[yerm]

I was wondering about that. Also about Normandy not being an accepted culture by England on a related note. Not that that particular bit bothers me a great deal.

I remember thinking that normond was on the accepted list for the England country file, but assumed it didn't take because it starts below 10%. I also assumed this was the reason English ideas used to have a huge accepted culture bonus (since it made no historical sense to me) as they needed to accept the French ones.

 

[DanubianCossak]

The balkans should just be gypsy culture and this way everybody would be pleased.

That would be discriminating against Roma nia.

 

[Wizzington]

The only historical evidence you've presented in this thread soundly rejects your own argument...

 

[EldarPanic]

That would be discriminating against Roma nia.

Well then we should be alfa-gypsies and youre beta-gypsies, sounds good?

 

[Aries666]

Albanian is in the South Slavic group for gameplay reasons, not because of linguistic criteria. For the same reason Breton was moved to the French group, despite being Gaelic.

But frankly, these discussions are pointless.

Why dont you simply use the nation designer if you dont like the current culture setup, instead of repeatedly trying to force your nationalist fantasies upon everyone else? You can design the entire Balkans, or all of Europe to be Albanian if you feel better then.

Already done that

 

[Will Steel]

The problem with nation designer is that it doesn't allow you to take pre-designed national ideas to create a realistic nation. I want to create a Chinese state for example, but I am forced to stick with generic national ideas rather than Chinese ones...or I'll have to spend hours after hours looking up actual national ideas, their descriptions and such.

You can create Albania but I bet it won't be the same, real in-game Albania since it won't have Albanian ideas.

Dear devs, please allow us to choose national ideas of an in-game tag when we create a custom country in the national designer. OR allow us to expand the borders of already existing nations with the nation designer before starting the game, for example expanding Byzantium to cover all of the Balkans or making Ming stretch all the way west to Kashgar.

 

[Attalus]

Breton was moved to the French group, despite being Gaelic

I think you meant Celtic there

 

[Roki_09]

OR allow us to expand the borders of already existing nations with the nation designer before starting the game, for example expanding Byzantium to cover all of the Balkans or making Ming stretch all the way west to Kashgar.

This is not a bad idea. But this should not be ironman...

 

[Will Steel]

This is not a bad idea. But this should not be ironman...

Of course not in ironman. Just for having single-player fun.

Maybe in MP too, but that's up to the devs.