Kosovo je serbija! I heard there's a lot of Serbian immigrants in southern Sweden so I guess they should be changed to Serb as well.
Kosova should be Albanian culture
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Although it is not clear if Albanians are from the Balkan or if and when they came to the Balkan, it is certain that they were there in middle ages and definitely in 1444.
All we know is that they were a small tribe that lived in mountains of modern Albania. Arrival of Ottomans brought a lot of changes to the region. Conversion of many Albanian tribes/clans to Islam resulted in steady population growth. Also Serbian Great Migrations in 17th and 18th century left a lot of empty lands where those Albanians could settle. And there was also a lot of Serbs, Greeks and Aromanians that converted to Islam, and later got assimilated by Albanians.
There are a lot of records in 19th century that speak about Albanisation in Kosovo. Back then, after the defeat of Turks there were Muslim people that claimed to be Albanians, but spoke Slavic(Serbian) language and not Albanian. Today in Kosovo there is one muslim Slavic tribe, high in the mountains that is still speaking Slavic. They are called Gorani.
But with the fall of Kosovo to Albanian control it is only a matter of time when they are Albanised also...
All we know is that they were a small tribe that lived in mountains of modern Albania. Arrival of Ottomans brought a lot of changes to the region. Conversion of many Albanian tribes/clans to Islam resulted in steady population growth. Also Serbian Great Migrations in 17th and 18th century left a lot of empty lands where those Albanians could settle. And there was also a lot of Serbs, Greeks and Aromanians that converted to Islam, and later got assimilated by Albanians.
There are a lot of records in 19th century that speak about Albanisation in Kosovo. Back then, after the defeat of Turks there were Muslim people that claimed to be Albanians, but spoke Slavic(Serbian) language and not Albanian. Today in Kosovo there is one muslim Slavic tribe, high in the mountains that is still speaking Slavic. They are called Gorani.
But with the fall of Kosovo to Albanian control it is only a matter of time when they are Albanised also...
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I knew I'd get a few good chuckles out of Serb nationalists. Great thread!
The only thing I learn from these kind of topics is that they usually don't lead anywhere.
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We should just make the whole balkans german because thats what most of them aspire to be anyways,.
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Nope, only Croatians aspire to be Germans. Greeks only what German money.
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Croatians,bosniaks,albanians,slovenians and gypsies to be precise.
We actually have a joke about it:
"A gypsy goes to see saint peter and the saint asks him,do you want to go to heaven or hell?The gypsy replies,could i go to germany?"
We actually have a joke about it:
"A gypsy goes to see saint peter and the saint asks him,do you want to go to heaven or hell?The gypsy replies,could i go to germany?"
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No, respectfully disagree. Part of why playing albania is so fucking awesome is because it's an OPM and has the only albanian cultured province in the world so the feeling you get when you culture convert half of europe to albanian is that much stronger
Greeks have been in the region they are today since the end of the 3rd millenium bc. The dorians . the achaeans , the ionians, aiolians are greek tribes not different ethnicities
Unfortunately, Greek race has been extinguished by 4th century. Today's Greeks are the children of the Slavs who migrated to the area between 5th and 8th century. Of course, they have some Latin and Turkish blood in them.
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Unfortunately (for you) my troll detecting skills are high atm so i wont feed you
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I can confirm the greeks arent slavs,when the slavs migrated to greece and starting messing around byzantium reacted by deporting them all to anatolia and moving anatolian greeks to greece to re-settle the land.
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If you read what I typed, you'd see where I explained why the Latin borrowings had to come from the period of the Roman Empire. These words do not show Venetian or Italian forms, nor do they show a borrowing from Medieval literary Latin. Rather, they they possess Latin features not present in the Romance languages which could have loaned them later, and they also share many characteristically Albanian sound changes. What does this mean? That they were borrowed before Latin became the Romance languages, and that there has been enough time for many Albanian-specific sound changes to occur. It's similar to, say, the word "church" in English. It isn't native Germanic, but it doesn't look like a later Greek or Latin borrowing. The reason is that it was borrowed back in the early Middle Ages, and so has undergone the same sound changes that every other English word has during the same period. Similar things are observed with Albanian words.
You don't have to rely on my word - every respectable linguist will tell you that Albanian has been in the Balkans for millenia. It IS a descendant of some Paleo-Balkan language. Maybe it wasn't from where Albanian is found now - maybe it was in what we now call Bulgaria, or Romania, or Serbia. But it was there. Where else did it come from? When? Do you have any alternative theories as to where Albanian came form? We have a pretty good idea of every major migration into the Balkans in the historical period, hell, even before the historical period. Did Albanians show up with the gypsies? Did they come in with one of the nomad peoples coming off of the Pontic steppe (well, I mean of course they came in with the early Indo-European waves, but I mean after that)?
The truth value of this stands aside from any BS claims about "Greater Albania" by idiots who think that they should rule the entire Balkans because hurr we wur da furst here!!1!. They would be idiots even if Albania had formerly been a glorious Balkan-spanning Illyrian empire, because the entire peninsula is now a diverse region with plenty of peoples with their own countries, with equal rights to self-determination.
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Does it REALLY matter if you're descended from Slavs or the ancient Greeks? Is one superior to the other? The conclusion of all gene studies I've come across is that the Greek region is an absolute melting pot. Even the Franks and Venetians etc left their mark. The modern Greeks include numerous different peoples blended together, not a direct descent from ancient Greece, nor exclusively Slavic necessarily either. If the idea that modern Greeks involve a large mix of numerous different types of peoples and not a direct blood lineage from exclusively or even majority ancient Greece actually bothers you, then you may want to consider why. If you somehow feel that being of Slavic descent is inferior to being of ancient Greek descent, your worldview is a problem. Own up to the reality that the ancient Greek bloodline IS gone, and what remains is a mix which is that in small part, and very many others in small part, that together are modern Greek, and there is absolutely nothing "unfortunate" about a little Latin, Albanian, Slavic, and other mixed in, nor ancient Greek mixed out.
Oh they lead somewhere. Where that is may be dark and miserable, but it goes there all right!
Maybe i should mention that im a croat,a balkan SLAV,so i cant possibly have a negative view of slavs.
I was meerly stating that greeks being influenced by slavs to any degree is IMPOSSIBLE since there werent any slavs to do the influencing.
Now do the greeks have italian and turkish blood,sure,earlier in this thread i stated that a lot of orthodox turks were deported to turkey in the first part of the 20th century after their wars.
Im just not going to tolerate FALSE assumptions of multicultural assimilation,same reason why i refuse to accept that albanians are some mythical lost tribe of illyrians,not because i have prejudeces but because its simply not possible,the romans assimilated all the illyrians and all the roman remenants usually looked roman,where ever the albanians came from they didnt preserve any of the roman culture thus pointing to them being a random group of migrants who found themselfes in the present location same as everyone else in the balkans apart from the greeks,they might have assimilated some remote coastal roman remenants but its nowhere near enough to claim that they were originally there same as croats arent illyrians just because we assimilated some roman towns on the coast.
I was meerly stating that greeks being influenced by slavs to any degree is IMPOSSIBLE since there werent any slavs to do the influencing.
Now do the greeks have italian and turkish blood,sure,earlier in this thread i stated that a lot of orthodox turks were deported to turkey in the first part of the 20th century after their wars.
Im just not going to tolerate FALSE assumptions of multicultural assimilation,same reason why i refuse to accept that albanians are some mythical lost tribe of illyrians,not because i have prejudeces but because its simply not possible,the romans assimilated all the illyrians and all the roman remenants usually looked roman,where ever the albanians came from they didnt preserve any of the roman culture thus pointing to them being a random group of migrants who found themselfes in the present location same as everyone else in the balkans apart from the greeks,they might have assimilated some remote coastal roman remenants but its nowhere near enough to claim that they were originally there same as croats arent illyrians just because we assimilated some roman towns on the coast.
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I do not consider them inferior. And while its true that a lot of different peoples have come through greece and have left a mark ,the ones that stayed through time ,through conquest , through german ,slavic and turkish migrations are the greek people .Of course we arent the exact same as the ancient greeks. But we are their direct descendants ,through dna , through language , through culture and all the things that give a singular name to a group of people