My Kongo game 11 years in. That's right, there's NOTHING to do. Just spent 11 years speed 5ing, now I have to wait until exploration?
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Kongo : WAD?
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My Kongo game 11 years in. That's right, there's NOTHING to do. Just spent 11 years speed 5ing, now I have to wait until exploration?
Like it used to be, where you could see around Benin.
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Pretty much. What did you expect? There weren't any real inter-nation things going on in the Kongo region until the Portuguese showed up.
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He probably expected there to be actual gameplay. This is, first and foremost, a game.
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They changed this because you could actually interact with Western Africa before. 'History' and 'reality' are not arguments, there's an achievement for a nation where you have to wait until 1480 (as per this game) to actually do anything except absorb vassals. That's pretty damn terrible in terms of fun.
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There is Gameplay, the fact you and I find it boring doesnt mean there is no gameplay.
But that is the magic of this game, there is so many choices that you don't have to play what you find boring!
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Sitting around on speed 5 for a 10th of the game's duration just clicking the occasional event popup but otherwise doing nothing doesn't sound like gameplay to me. You're not actually doing anything except letting the game play itself.
Regardless, 'you don't have to play it if you don't like it!' isn't a valid defense for the current state. It's a lot like how Natives in the New World outside of certain subsections are also boring as hell because they have no gameplay. Just because you don't have to play those nations doesn't mean the state of those nations is acceptable.
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Cute rationalization for taking away a nation that had viable early game options. It leaves a certain foul taste in the mouth though.
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Well, yes there were. Do you think the people of the Congo were living in a total vacuum?
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Also, might I point out that if Paradox doesn't want Kongo to do anything until they encounter the Portuguese then they [Kongo] should probably not know that Arabia exists at game start either. Oh how fun would that be [/sarcasm]. To be honest it may make more sense to know about West Africa but not about Arabia?
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really hard to understand how kongo know about arabia and not the rest of africa.
Also the point of the game is to actually play outside the history box. Kongo could have gone south or north.
Anyway only option now is speed 5 and rush exploration. Make sure to have the 800dip points by the time the tech unlock so you don´t have to wait.
And use the time to develop the provinces.
Also the point of the game is to actually play outside the history box. Kongo could have gone south or north.
Anyway only option now is speed 5 and rush exploration. Make sure to have the 800dip points by the time the tech unlock so you don´t have to wait.
And use the time to develop the provinces.
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Most probably a backlash of new discovery-exploration system. I hope it will be fixed ASAP.
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It's what I did. I got tech 5 in adm in 1480. That's 36 years of speed 5ing. Silver lining is I could form a colony next to Benin and fabricate a claim instead of no CB DoWing and that I'm actually on par in tech with the Muslim group.
Wasting that many years will make the achievment to conquer africa quite hard, i guess....
Seems like its an oversight from reworking the discovery spread mechanics that was introduced in 1.15, unless otherwise said, i would probably be inclined to believe it aren't WAD
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Nah. In the original conception of the achievement, sub-Saharan started tech 1/1/1 and had -2 monarch points per month, and Kongo couldn't see past its borders. It was hard then, and was the only time it was even more boring than now.
Africa only has around as much total development as India. While Maghreb is usually a bit more HCC development than the Rajput HCC cancer, this is the kind of thing you could conquer in short order with admin efficiency even if you screwed around all game.
That said, this is almost certainly an oversight. Siberia has something similar IIRC; their region define for capital doesn't have an "or" so their vision is all kinds of screwy. Kongo seeing Arabia...but not West Africa...is almost certainly something wrong with how their region is being defined for vision.
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So the devs should go around reducing the viability of selected nations, because gimping a start somehow gives us more choices?!
I would hope they don't actually subscribe to such nonsense and that this is just an "oops".