KNOWN BUG: Reseach bonus doesnt lessen time needed

[Belissarius]

Reseach bonus doesnt lessen time needed

I researched Advanced Electromechanical computers and it doesnt seem to do any for research. The description says the following is gained:

Flak +20
Industrial Efficency total +5%
Theo R&D max Time inc -15% -This being the expensiveGold tech blocks that are around 6 months(180 days) to reasearch and open up the cheaper and faster applied research areas. Correct?

Well wouldnt this mean that a tech that takes 180 day normally takes only 153 days? Well This isnt the case at all it still takes 180 days to reseach.

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Shadow Soldier
Hey there IB,

If you are interested in having the Province.csv i have altered to try out and save yourself the hours of work then email me at
jarrodwallen@hotmail.com

I'll gladly give it to you.
-SS

Mail sent.

 

[Belissarius]

The world trade system is broken. If you put in two orders for rubber at on the first hour of the game you never have to worry about loooseing those dids to the AI

200 coal for 100 rubber twice and you get all the rubber you'll need up to 99999 while the rest of the world is startved for rubber. You dont need to every make a 3 to 1 offer.

You keep saying you dont have a problem with resourses even after conquests doesnt that signal to you that there is a problem in the system then. Germany should feel the pinch of the lack of oil and rubber and be required to research industrial techs.

If you never run down your stock piles that why do you need conversion tech? Doesnt this tell you that there may be a problem with the system?

world market is flawed it allows you to dominate trade and the ai is unable to out bit you and therefore allows you to gain unrealistic stock piles of resourses. its a known exploite you call it foresight because otherwise you have to admit that your taking advantage of the system.

Its far to easy to exploit the world market therefore doing so is a known exploit

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Belissarius

You keep saying you dont have a problem with resourses even after conquests doesnt that signal to you that there is a problem in the system then. Germany should feel the pinch of the lack of oil and rubber and be required to research industrial techs.

Uhm noted but that still means that the savings tech are useless as they are still filled by the conversion techs. Only a nation that has no coal, oil or rubber has any issues.

Originally posted by Belissarius

If you never run down your stock piles that why do you need conversion tech? Doesnt this tell you that there may be a problem with the system?

My conversion tech ensures I don´t need stockpiles. They have a tendency to acumulate by themselves though.

Originally posted by Belissarius

world market is flawed it allows you to dominate trade and the ai is unable to out bit you and therefore allows you to gain unrealistic stock piles of resourses. its a known exploite you call it foresight because otherwise you have to admit that your taking advantage of the system.

Yes and as noted the stockpiles aren´t really needed. Your statements are getting quite stupid btw. You are saying that if I don´t play exactly as stupid as the germans did in RL I´m exploiting the system. You know if you are talking about playing the actual game instead of reading a history book you might be quite right. Or should I perhaps start to kill off my own units when I´m not taking "historical" losses or perhaps sink my own ships as ships with those names didn´t last very long "historically".

The problem is IMO that the AI is so easy to beat that I don´t need the vast amounts of resources (notably oil) to fuel the enormous armies we saw historically. This of course could be mitigated by increased output. When I tried to play with the altered prov file now things quickly became much harder I couldn´t afford to trade OR convert enough resources. So increased production would be IMO a much better soloution.

 

[Belissarius]

Originally posted by Idiotboy
Uhm noted but that still means that the savings tech are useless as they are still filled by the conversion techs. Only a nation that has no coal, oil or rubber has any issues.



My conversion tech ensures I don´t need stockpiles. They have a tendency to acumulate by themselves though.



Yes and as noted the stockpiles aren´t really needed. Your statements are getting quite stupid btw. You are saying that if I don´t play exactly as stupid as the germans did in RL I´m exploiting the system. You know if you are talking about playing the actual game instead of reading a history book you might be quite right. Or should I perhaps start to kill off my own units when I´m not taking "historical" losses or perhaps sink my own ships as ships with those names didn´t last very long "historically".

The problem is IMO that the AI is so easy to beat that I don´t need the vast amounts of resources (notably oil) to fuel the enormous armies we saw historically. This of course could be mitigated by increased output. When I tried to play with the altered prov file now things quickly became much harder I couldn´t afford to trade OR convert enough resources. So increased production would be IMO a much better soloution.

stop being insulting and dont call my call my statements stupid. Your deflecting away from the real issue because it has validity.

I'm not talking about following history (you just added that in to delfect from the issue) I'm saying that because the AI cant handle the world market, Hell it trades resourse A to get B then trades B to get A back! This really hurts its ability to uses its ICs and means you can dominate the trade in your favour. Its stupid in handling the market therefore if you take advantage of that flaw your exploiting the AI. I'm simply saying that to get maxed resources when the AI is not able to do the same is exploiting its know weakness.

If your playing in Multiplayer its different if the person youre playing against cant use the world market then his lose. But he has the ability to learn the AI doesnt. Do you use the TAC bombing exploit? Likely not but if you did then any victory is hollow. Exploits are in the game its up to the player to use self disipline and not use them.

 

[Idiotboy]

Originally posted by Belissarius
stop being insulting and dont call my call my statements stupid. Your deflecting away from the real issue because it has validity.

I'm not talking about following history (you just added that in to delfect from the issue) I'm saying that because the AI cant handle the world market, Hell it trades resourse A to get B then trades B to get A back! This really hurts its ability to uses its ICs and means you can dominate the trade in your favour. Its stupid in handling the market therefore if you take advantage of that flaw your exploiting the AI. I'm simply saying that to get maxed resources when the AI is not able to do the same is exploiting its know weakness.

If your playing in Multiplayer its different if the person youre playing against cant use the world market then his lose. But he has the ability to learn the AI doesnt. Do you use the TAC bombing exploit? Likely not but if you did then any victory is hollow. Exploits are in the game its up to the player to use self disipline and not use them.

Then stop wailing about the world market. It´s only a symptom of the problem not the cause of it. And the historical part was brought in by you when you are talking about nobody cornered the market etc... But let´s ignore that for now, fixing the world market is unlikely to fix anything. The AI aren´t usually in any resource clinch (especially if I don´t bother with the WM) but they perform badly anyway, hence the problem isn´t in the resources or the WM. Let me ask you have you ever seen the AI put up 200+ divisions? I know that I haven´t. Thos kind of armies would solve the resource issue as they would consume so much that resources became an issue. The small armies I´m seeing shouldn´t create an issue because frankly they don´t consume that much. Having to fight the war on the east front with 200-300 divisions on each side could create a problem with oil among other things and then and only then would techniques that save resources be useful. Pulling of a Barbarossa with my 27 infantry divisions as I once did shouldn´t put any strain on the economy at all.