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Expeditionnary forces pbs

I ve already posted about this but no reponse so far... A number of problems occur with exp forces:

1. Disappearing planes and ships

If you send planes or ships there is a high likelyhood that the AI receiving country will simply keep them and never return them again. This seems to occur when the AI reorganizes stacks, whereupon the owning country does not have access anymore to the forces that have been lent as they probably are now under the command of one of the AI country's leaders.

2. AI sending exp forces

AI keeps sending exp forces to you without you asking. This is very annoying. There should be a diplo option to ASK for exp forces.

3. No limits

There is no limit on the amount of exp forces that can be sent. Hence you can send your whole army -or fleet- to an ally or for that matter to any country. This leads to strange behavior especially in MP.

4. 5th column

Send exp forces to an AI country you want to conquer. Position them on all victory locations. Reclaim control and dow immediately .. et voila ... Annex in the next second....

5. What about those diplomats ?

It costs no dip points to send expeditionnary forces ...(one would assume this would require a minimum of diplomatic effort, especially when sending them to countries you are not allied with)

6. Thank you for the food

Exp forces are supplied by the receiving country... good but this means I can send my whole army to a potential ennemy AI nation and have that nation foot the supply cost and even bring that nation economy to a standstill if I have a large army....

7. Recruit locally

Exp forces are replenished by the receiving nation ... So say I am UK , taking heavy losses in France .... Quick, exp force my depleted units, and France will make up the losses without any cost in manpower for me.... For that matter any country that wishes to replenish depleted units for free can exp force them to some AI nation...

Granted some of these are not bugs per se... but still the whole exp forces concept requires some thorough rework....
 
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I was playing as Nat. China and in 45 I had made Italy a puppet state, but Italy was still sending exp. forces to Germany!

At one point they actually took back one corps of two divisions that had been lent to me and immediately lent it to the Germans. This is essentially the computer using the 5th column exploit mentioned above, fortunately it did not occur in valuable territory.


I also noticed that the US kept lending exp. forces to the UK, but was just dumping them into Gibraltar and never moving them. At one point there were over 60 divisions in Gibraltar.
 

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1) Known bug

2) Will log as an Enhancement

3) Sorry, WAD

4) Known bug

5) Isn't this intended?

6) AFAIK, I have to supply them myself. That's what happened in the Spanish Civil War with my German Condor Korps

7) Also can't reproduce AFAIK I reinforce them myself
 
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Vulture,

RE point 6 ... You probably were supplying the whole spanish army .. not just your troops...

This is easy to check.... Take any country, round up as many troops (or ships) as you can in a big stack.. check your supply needs... then exp corp that big stack to any country... check your supply needs now ... much lower

re point 7: check your manpower before and after reinforcement .... its probably at the same level if I am not msitaken ....

re point 3 and 5 : not bugs per se as I was saying but perhaps worthy of reconsideration ... Such as 1 dip point per exp corp sent, and for human players only, a limit of say 10 percent of their total number of units allowed as exp corp at any one time.. Just a sugestions