If a character receives the Kinslayer trait with which characters will it adversely affect his/her relations? Will everyone (regardless of relation) become upset with him? Will everyone with the same dynastic name (e.g., every Rurikovich on the map be upset? Or will only the immediate family members be pissy?
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I try to avoid that trait like a plague, so I don't know the all details, but everyone is going to dislike ruler that has kinslayer trait. Not sure if it affects relatives or family members more than others.
If you get this trait prepare to be bitch-slapped by God. Everyone on the planet is going to hate your bloody guts. Unless you have an unnaturally high dip + freaking awesome prestige, you won't see any growth. Indeed, you're usually lucky keeping everything you have, right through this character's life.
I know you can get this for killing your wife, but I don't know about her family. And I don't know about other people of your dynasty's spouses. Just don't do it.
Though I don't know if this or excommunication is worse, though you should try to avoid either of them.
I know you can get this for killing your wife, but I don't know about her family. And I don't know about other people of your dynasty's spouses. Just don't do it.
Though I don't know if this or excommunication is worse, though you should try to avoid either of them.
Bah. While Kinslaying is obviously a horrible crime, excommunication is merely a proud banner of individuality. Usually, if my epic gloriously awesome kwisazt haderach king gets excommunicated, I respond by invading Rome and burn everything in my path...well, I tried but the game's combat system sucks (as in, nonexistent) so I can't actually burn everything in my path, just invade Rome. I consider it pretty historical given the habitual efforts of the Hohenstaufen Emperors to Save the Church From Itself (tm).
But anyway, technically, traits "favor" and "dislike" each other. Meaning a zealous courtier/vassal will have a loyalty penalty to a skeptical lord and and such but will love, I think, a fellow zealot or a chaste lord. "Excommunicated" and "Kinslayer" just happens to be traits that almost every other trait strongly dislikes, translating into a severe loyalty penalty for most characters under you. Except for your fellow excommunicated ones of course. Doomed people stick to each other and prosper.
...whose penalties at least for vassals can be somewhat contained if your character is a brilliant diplomat, prestigious, and hopefully employs an extremely good and loyal chancellor.
Oh, and there are a few bad events tied to those traits. But don't let that bother you.
I made some new trait interaction spreadsheets a few months ago; the link to download them can be found in the New Traits FAQ.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380922
They are basically big, or huge, spreadsheets that show the loyalty relationships between traits.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380922
They are basically big, or huge, spreadsheets that show the loyalty relationships between traits.
I find the biggest problem with the kinslayer trait and some other bad ones to be that most courtiers start really hating you and they are not affected by diplomacy. Thus it can be difficult to find advisors willing to work for you which then has further bad effects, when the steward steals the treasury and the chancelor sows further discord among vassals. The only good thing is that the spymaster may end up killing you so you can get a new ruler with a clean slate.
Or just kill your ruler!!! i saw somewhere it's possible, but i nerver done it!! prefer see my kingdom destruct!!
Or just kill your ruler!!! i saw somewhere it's possible, but i nerver done it!! prefer see my kingdom destruct!!
F12 "die"
Yeah, that's something that bothers me a fair bit. You should be able to find some people you can trust, no matter how much of a kinslaying excommunicated bastard you are.I find the biggest problem with the kinslayer trait and some other bad ones to be that most courtiers start really hating you and they are not affected by diplomacy. Thus it can be difficult to find advisors willing to work for you which then has further bad effects, when the steward steals the treasury and the chancelor sows further discord among vassals. The only good thing is that the spymaster may end up killing you so you can get a new ruler with a clean slate.
Yeah, that's something that bothers me a fair bit. You should be able to find some people you can trust, no matter how much of a kinslaying excommunicated bastard you are.
Cruel, forgiving, vengefull, kinslaying maniacs will like you.
Yeah, but how do you get Scottish courtiers in an Italian Duchy?Cruel, forgiving, vengefull, kinslaying maniacs will like you.
Well, nobody said it'd be easy. Courtier depopulation is quite a painful effect of the whole being unpopular thing. If you have any sons who haven't already escaped and who are unmarried you may be able to find some evil brides for them, otherwise you just gotta make do with whats left and ride it out.
Courtier depopulation is quite a painful effect of the whole being unpopular thing. If you have any sons who haven't already escaped and who are unmarried you may be able to find some evil brides for them, otherwise you just gotta make do with whats left and ride it out.
Just saw a rebelling rival of my current charcter is a kinslayer. He's five years old.
The medieval must have been damn tough times.
The medieval must have been damn tough times.
Just saw a rebelling rival of my current charcter is a kinslayer. He's five years old.
The medieval must have been damn tough times.
LOL, taught from the cradle, first words out of his mouth were off with his head.
Just saw a rebelling rival of my current charcter is a kinslayer. He's five years old.
The medieval must have been damn tough times.
That's been quite common in history. For an example, Cleopatra's younger brother tried to depose and kill her when he was just 11 years old IIRC, but the dispute ended with him being drowned in the Nile.
Heh, I once got an event that Pope didn't like me having pagans in my court, so I off course wen't with the head choppin option. Now, the thing I hadn't noticed was that said pagan was actually my four year old kings mother.
Didn't get kinslayer trait from that though.
Didn't get kinslayer trait from that though.