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Tanesis said:
Hungarian is unique to European language, the nearest language to it is Mongolian iirc. So the only way a Finn, or for that matter anyone else, can understand it is to learn it.

Tanesis,

I don't want to get off the topic, but this is just all wrong. Finnish and Estonian ARE related to Hungarian. Hungarian is quite different, but they are both member languages of the Finno-Ugric sub-family of languages. In fact the Ugric group only has two sub-groups - Hungarian and Ob Ugric (named after the Ob river in central Russia)

The Finno-Ugric sub-family is part of the Uralic family of languages, which consists of just Finno-Permic (Finnish), Ugric (Hungarian), and Samoyedic.

Regards,
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comagoosie said:
I hope you can keep all of your possessions, and if not, get out of the war ASAP, we don't want you to get crushed ;)

well the areas with red lines are already owned by me (they were 1 minor vassals of Denmark/Norway)

Whatever those scandinavians throw at me I'm not scared of them, but what I'm a little worried about is the Holy Roman Emperor with his uber stacks

Auray said:
I'm glad to see that Finland is expanding regardless of those civil wars and viking raids.
Excellent that even someone has the energy to update their AARs... I have not update my AAR in two months. :(

Well you might call it energy but the fact is that I'm only made it to 1115 when this AAR has been going on for 4 months or so :D

Eikinskjaldi said:
ONWARD FINLANDIA !!

I'm glad to see some economic development going on, but sad to see Olavi die. Too bad - he was obviously a good king who cared about his people's needs.

I have a question. Is it possible for you - a pagan - to ally with any Christian nation? Will they accept you? The reason I asked is because I think you should try to keep the Teutonic Knights around as an ally. Why? They would provide a buffer state to other powers, especially Sweden. It is obvious that the Swedes and Danes aren't going to leave you alone, so you could use an ally who has them as a common enemy. If you have the expansion bug, bring your Samoyed and Mordvin cousins into the Kingdom where they belong.

Regards,
Eikinskjaldi

Yes, it might be possible to ally Christians but I rarely find any chances to offer alliance (and if I do they always reject)

But I keep getting alliance offers from other pagan nations though (Lithuania was at my point my ally and was quite large but then the Swedes conquered them)

Eikinskjaldi said:
I don't want to get off the topic, but this is just all wrong. Finnish and Estonian ARE related to Hungarian. Hungarian is quite different, but they are both member languages of the Finno-Ugric sub-family of languages. In fact the Ugric group only has two sub-groups - Hungarian and Ob Ugric (named after the Ob river in central Russia)

The Finno-Ugric sub-family is part of the Uralic family of languages, which consists of just Finno-Permic (Finnish), Ugric (Hungarian), and Samoyedic.

Regards,
Eikinskjaldi

That's right, but one thing to note is that for example German is more close to English than Hungarian is to Finnish
 

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Great AAR so far, Swippy. I really enjoy the maps - you obviously put a lot more effort into them than I do! ;)

It's a shame about Olavi (what is it with arrows, eyeballs and 11th-century kings, anyway?) - but, here's hoping Sampo fares a little better!

Swippy said:
That's right, but one thing to note is that for example German is more close to English than Hungarian is to Finnish

So, given that Hungarian and Finnish are both Finno-Ugric languages, would it be more analogous to the relationship between, say, Hindi or Farsi and English? Also, is there any shared vocabulary, or is the similarity more structural? (My knowledge of Finnish is pretty much limited to joo, ei, anteeksi and kiitos, and my knowledge of Hungarian is zip.)
 

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Wow. Can finland survive this :eek:

*subscribes* :)
 

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I fear this AAR is dead. I was hoping it would continue, but Swippy has been MIA (Missing In Action) for some time now.

Hoping you return and update, Swippy. I hope all is well with you.

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this is not dead, I'm just been pretty lazy and been playing slowly...all these replies however encourage me to go on :) expect update soon (damn now I promised it :D)

so dont hold your hopes for this AAR or me being dead yet :D

Demon1 said:
this aar is really good but some screenies for example the war with denmark and other wars would be nice

Well I forgot to take screenshots from those wars

besides, if I start to include every single detail this AAR goes damn slowly :p (as if it's not going slowly enough)

Revan86 said:
Great AAR so far, Swippy. I really enjoy the maps - you obviously put a lot more effort into them than I do! ;)

It's a shame about Olavi (what is it with arrows, eyeballs and 11th-century kings, anyway?) - but, here's hoping Sampo fares a little better!



So, given that Hungarian and Finnish are both Finno-Ugric languages, would it be more analogous to the relationship between, say, Hindi or Farsi and English? Also, is there any shared vocabulary, or is the similarity more structural? (My knowledge of Finnish is pretty much limited to joo, ei, anteeksi and kiitos, and my knowledge of Hungarian is zip.)

heh, the maps, theyre not that great and take way too much time to make :D

from what I've heard, some basic words like certain animal names and words associated with nature/hunting/fishing etc are somewhat similiar in Hungarian and Finnish but the languages are mostly unintelligible to each other

the similiarity is mostly structural as you said (both are agglunative languages which means there are no articles and the words are instead modified to add prefixes etc...damn hard to explain :D)

Brandenburg III said:
Great AAR, Swippy! I actually sat here and read through it in one sitting which is saying a lot - I don't often read any AARs at all. I hope you update soon!

Thanks!

reading all the way through those first messy updates mustve been pretty confusing :D (especially if you dont read AARs much)

it's a nice compliment though :)

Davisx3m said:
Wow. Can finland survive this :eek:

*subscribes* :)

let's hope so :)
 
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The Reign of Sampo I (1115-1149)

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King Sampo rose to the throne during the middle of war, in 1115. His father had fallen in a disastrous battle in Åland and the Danish forces occupied the island. However, on the bright side, the highly feared forces of Holy Roman Emperor never arrived to Finland. Therefore it was up Sampo to just beat the Danes in order to win the war.

From the beginning to the end of his reign, King Sampo's reign was almost complete war. He envisioned to continue his grandfather Väinö's dreams of conquest even further. The first war against Danes was decided by the Second Battle of Åland in 1118 where Finnish warriors led by Sampo defeated the Danes decisively and thus peace was restored with no concession to either side.

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Peace lasted only the following winter. Sampo had already decided where to make his plans of conquest; Novgorod. The rich trading center would be very rewarding if obtained. The only thing that was on the way were the Mordvins. As Sampo declared war on the Chief of Novgorod in 1119, the Mordvin King Nalka decided to join the war to protect his distant, but important vassal.

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The conquest of Novgorod was swift, as the local Mordvin forces were not very organized and they had no centralized command structure and each section of their army was ruled by some petty chief. To make matters worse, the Mordvins had been devastated by wars for many decades against Russians, Poles and the Swedes who had conquered most of Lithuania. Thus the Mordvins agreed to peace and gave up their claims on Novgorod and the rich area was incorporated to Finland.

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Siege of Novgorod

With Finland occupied yet again by war, the Danish King Einar I saw that they had another chance to try an invasion. This particular invasion of Estonia was just another futile attempt by the Danes to establish a foothold on the Eastern Baltic. The Danish forces were defeated in one of the biggest battles of the period in the province of Reval, in 1120.

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Even though Finland was facing a war already, King Sampo decided recklessly to start more wars in order to expand his Kingdom. The Danes were defeated in a decisive battle to allow time for this so it was decided to expand to North East, to Bjarmia and Permia. The local pagan tribes were small and didn't have central authority so they were ripe pickings for the Finnish Kingdom.

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Some of the pagan tribes, facing Finnish invasion, decided to ally with the Mordvins for protection and the brief peace between Finns and Mordvins was broken.

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Another war with Mordvins begins. Notice the Finnish expansion in Bjarmia and Permia.

Mordvins however couldn't stop the inevitable. Conquest of Bjarmia and Permia was finished in 1124.

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This was not enough for Sampo. He decided to expand to the Mordvin homelands themselves and thus attacked the Tribe of Belozeero.

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The Mordvins were defeated. They had failed to protect the pagan tribes and their intervention had only caused them to lose more territory. First they lost Novgorod in 1119 and now Belozeero in 1125.

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Sampo had managed to double the size of the Kingdom, by conquering the vast empty lands to his east. However, even though most of this land was very poor, he had managed to conquer the rich city of Novgorod and Finland had become a major regional power. Pope himself had recognised the threat a powerful pagan Kingdom could cause and urged the Christian Kings of Sweden and Poland to intervene. Only after threats of Excommunication they finally agreed and formally declared war on Finland in the year 1126.

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The following war didn't see any major battles, only small scale skirmishes occured between Finnish and Swedish forces in the border between Lithuania and Livonia. However Sampo decided to make the war as profitable as possible; he decided to seize Kurland from Sweden. He led one major force to occupy the area and easily defeated the small garrisons. He however decided not to make any more gains against the Christians; if he went too far they might get serious.

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Finnish Kurland.

The acquisation of Kurland brang a large number of Christians under Finnish rule. Even though Finland had previously had contact with Christianity, it had only been minor and the God they spoke of was only recognised as one of the many others. However this particular scenario was very rare for the times; pagans ruling over Christians.

Pope was not pleased with the news; faithful Christians under a pagan yoke. He sent yet again another request to the Christian Kings and called the Teutonic Orders to action. Only one King dared to join in the first Crusade against Finland; Oluf I of Denmark. Together with Teutonic Knights the Danes attempted yet again to invade Finland in the year of 1133.

Sampo, after learning of the news, acted swiftly. It was decided that the continuous Danish wars had to be stopped; he organized a fleet and sailed for Denmark with 25 000 men. If he sacked the very Danish capital perhaps the Danes would stop the frequent invasions.

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Invasion of Denmark.

The Knights were rallied and the Polish King Pjotr I gave the province of Memel to act as their base. From there, they invaded Kurland with the intention of freeing the Christians under pagan rule. This was however doomed to fail as Susi, the High Chief of Livonia and Estonia and oldest son of Sampo, defeated the Knights after amassing an army.

With the Danish capital sacked and Knights defeated, Sampo negotiated for peace; he offered white peace and freedom to the Christians of Kurland if the Danes would stop their invasions and give up claims in Estonia and Livonia.

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After the Crusade, Finland entered into a period of peace for some years. When Sampo wasn't leading his armies to battle he was building fortifications and training grounds for warriors. The first castle in Finland was built around 1136 near to the coast in Turku.

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The last war on Sampo's reign was the conquest of Västerbotten. The local Swedish county succumbed easily and this was the first conquest by Finland on the Scandinavian Peninsula.

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This brang more Christians under Finnish rule. This time Sampo decided to act with more force and the local Christians were prosecuted under his rule. No news of this never arrived to Pope himself and the Swedish King Haakon I ignored it.

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In fact, Haakon was prooved to be interested in an alliance with the Finns. He had witnessed their strength in wars against the Denmark, his major rivals and he was planning the total destruction of the Mordvins with Finnish and Polish help. He had already obtained Lithuania from the Mordvins and continuous wars between them had occured during the early 12th century.

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Sampo agreed to the alliance. It was uncommon to the time that pagans and Christians allied and Pope was said to be infuriated. Sampo held a major hunting festival to celebrate the alliance...something that had major consequences.

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During the hunt, Sampo encountered a huge wild bear alone in the forest which was enraged by it's awakening from hibernation and even though Sampo was a mighty warrior, he was severely wounded by the animal. He however managed to scare off the animal to the forest by screaming loudly and throwing rocks at it.

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It was then that the Swedish King finally called on to war against the Mordvins.

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Sampo agreed to join the war but he was in no condition to lead battles. The injuried evolved into a sickness and he fought for his survival against the deadly disease. He ordered a massive hunt for the bear that wounded him.

The bear was captured but Sampo wasn't to see his revenge on the animal. He died on a late December night in 1149 and his body was burned along with the bear carcass. It was believed that the two spirits would continue their mighty fight in the afterlife.

Sampo was succeeded by his grandson, Susi, who had already taken control of the Kingdom by the time of Sampo's wounding. He was to lead Finland in war against Mordvins.

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King Sampo had been great warrior King. His reign saw numerous wars and he managed to expand the Finnish lands tremendously.

List of wars during Sampo's reign;
-war against Denmark 1115-1118
-conquest of Novgorod in 1119
-war against Denmark in 1120-1123
-conquest of Bjarmia, Belozeero, Vologda and Permia in 1124-1125
-war against Sweden and Poland in 1126-1129
-conquest of Kurland in 1128
-war against Denmark 1133-1136
-Teutonic Knights invade Kurland in 1135
-conquest of Västerbotten in 1138
-war against Mordvins begins in 1149

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Finland at the end of Sampo's reign.
 
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okay rather messy update, had to add lots of pictures because I had so many wars

next I'll make a world update of the year 1150
 

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Yay, an update! :)

Finland is huge, keep up the good work. What are your plans now? Continue to expand in the East or conquer Scandinavia?
 

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Heimdall said:
Yay, an update! :)

Finland is huge, keep up the good work. What are your plans now? Continue to expand in the East or conquer Scandinavia?

I'll probably continue to East...I think I'll leave Scandinavia for EU3 :D
 

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Oi, Tapio killed Sampo! :D

You shouldn't let the swedes have Lithuania.
And you should modify the pagan conversion event, since it is kinda unfair for pagan players... :eek:o