That was a rough war. But the alliance lost in the east, however, they won in the west. Now they hold land that should be within German vassalage.
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I'd gladly let you take back the Duke of Istria as vassal, Lurken, but I want money in return.
I asked them. Must've been right after all the demesne was secured, that's when I quickly started spamming realms like Bavaria, Swabia, etc. offering vassalization just for the hell of it (I didn't expect any of them to accept since I was so far away).Lurken said:
War was declared, the western powers (excluding Norway) declared war only on Germany, not on Poland, and Norway invaded Poland. War then ensued, and I know little of what happened in the west except that, despite realm duress and rebelling vassals, Germany held France, England, Leon, and Naples back just as long as Poland needed it to. Meanwhile, in the east, Poland fought off Kiev and Pronsk, making an incursion into Pronsk (I believe this is where you dropped and had to leave) and capturing Chernigov.
Kaleb, who was subbing Norway, then switched to Pronsk, leaving Norway's armies, currently engaged in two battles, under AI command. Norway's AI then proposed a white peace, which Poland accepted, after it lost those two battles. Kiev was doing little as its vassals were rebelling and Polish troops swarmed over Lithuania to halt their advance. Pronsk became embroiled in war and was beaten many times by the Polish army in Chernigov, which then split and sieged the north while the other half continued to defeat the Pronskian armies. As Pronsk regained Chernigov and Pereyaslavl with a 25k man army, Pehlrim Piast saved the day and with a 15k man army defeated the slightly-weakened Pronskian army. A little before this, Vlad had given up and switched to Byzantium.
The war ended around here essentially, with Pronsk being absorbed wholly into the Polish realm. Now Poland turned on Kiev and did the same to the Kievan state. Both the Kievan Principality and the Pronskian Kniazdom no longer exist, because the Polish emperor could not trust them as his vassals again.
Germany then suffered a defeat, losing Verona and the Netherlands, but in an effort to repay the eternal debt Poland owes Germany for saving its empire from destruction, Polish troops helped in the absorption of Germany's breakaway vassals into the Holy Roman Empire.
I'm sorry I had to absorb Pronsk, Germax, especially when you weren't there, but the war was decided pretty much when Polish troops crossed the Dniepr and Pronsk had lost its main army at Kiev. At least now you may have a fresh start, perhaps in the Kingdom of Italy or that of Sweden.
Kaleb, who was subbing Norway, then switched to Pronsk, leaving Norway's armies, currently engaged in two battles, under AI command. Norway's AI then proposed a white peace, which Poland accepted, after it lost those two battles. Kiev was doing little as its vassals were rebelling and Polish troops swarmed over Lithuania to halt their advance. Pronsk became embroiled in war and was beaten many times by the Polish army in Chernigov, which then split and sieged the north while the other half continued to defeat the Pronskian armies. As Pronsk regained Chernigov and Pereyaslavl with a 25k man army, Pehlrim Piast saved the day and with a 15k man army defeated the slightly-weakened Pronskian army. A little before this, Vlad had given up and switched to Byzantium.
The war ended around here essentially, with Pronsk being absorbed wholly into the Polish realm. Now Poland turned on Kiev and did the same to the Kievan state. Both the Kievan Principality and the Pronskian Kniazdom no longer exist, because the Polish emperor could not trust them as his vassals again.
Germany then suffered a defeat, losing Verona and the Netherlands, but in an effort to repay the eternal debt Poland owes Germany for saving its empire from destruction, Polish troops helped in the absorption of Germany's breakaway vassals into the Holy Roman Empire.
I'm sorry I had to absorb Pronsk, Germax, especially when you weren't there, but the war was decided pretty much when Polish troops crossed the Dniepr and Pronsk had lost its main army at Kiev. At least now you may have a fresh start, perhaps in the Kingdom of Italy or that of Sweden.
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germax said:
The alliance was unable to overwhelm Germany in the first attack wave, and won only after a long and hardfought war. By that time however, Poland had defeated both Kiev and Pronsk. While the war could've been prolonged, motivation sort of died out when Sid faced the facts and switched to Byzantium instead. So I'm afraid we'll have to find you a new realm for next session, perhaps England would suit you?
just had a look at the map..... now i understand
All i will say is that a war like this is enough to kill my country?
Ho comepoland got claims over alll my titles? or at least the most important ones, because i didn't find my country in the map, or what it used to be
Anyway now that i have no country i might stay in the game as sub, unless there is a good country to take
All i will say is that a war like this is enough to kill my country?
Ho comepoland got claims over alll my titles? or at least the most important ones, because i didn't find my country in the map, or what it used to be
Anyway now that i have no country i might stay in the game as sub, unless there is a good country to take
hmm i see, hehe, the one i was thinking about was byz... well, thanks vary for the offering, but i don't ant to have the vassal's life. i'm a bit interested in the almost dead brittany that would give me access to alllllll middle east... i'll think about it
didnt see your post sterk... well sweden looks good too. ill think about it this week.
I am back, I didn't know I was supposed to be away for 2 nights, my friends never told me, lol.
Just wanted to tell I have not abandone the ship.
Just wanted to tell I have not abandone the ship.
When a vassal revolts, the liege get claims on all of their titles for free.germax said:
Kujy said:
I don't know. I've grown accustomed to spending my sunday evenings with you guys, and I really enjoy playing CK MP. But it feels like this game has lost a lot of its 'fun' appeal now, and I'm not sure I want to spend so much time on it.
I just wanted to know wether England was an alternative for germax or if he would prefer another realm.
We need you as England, especially in EU2 Where I suspect I'll switch back to China, I can pretty much believe with confiedence none of you guys will steal my CoT and all of my pacific and North American Chinese colonies from me.
Well once we get to EU2 I am probably moving back to China, depends how attached I get to Byz but probly China. But once we do get there can we switch its tech group to orthodoxed? Would do wonders for game balance with a bunch of humans there trust me.
Varyar said:
Well...Sterkarm and me felt the same way, but I admit I waivered for a moment to just throw the towel. But, hey...we got 300 years left. Fun? We have no namecalling, no bitching, no nothing. So far this game has been very civil I must say. Sure not so great as certain EU2MP games, but good enough.
Oh, I must write something about the war from a "biased" strategist. The alliance, both its western (England, Naples, France and Leon) and eastern (Kiev and Pronsk) parts, failed because four things, some more important then the others.
Eastern parts failed to see that Poland was going to release Hungery. Maybe not NOW, but someday. Which means that Poland would be weaker, which means Kiev and Pronsk would have easier time in the war versus Poland. They didn't, because of lack of patiance.
- Atleast one of the Eastern parts failed to see the golden opportinity here. If one would have been loyal to Piast, what would have happened? Simple, after the defeat of the other, the loyal would have been granted the rivals titles. Easypeasy, and after a couple of years, maybe 80 years of loyal servitude, Poland might have granted the loyal duchy a kingtitle, if not, they would have been in a better spot to overthrow Poland. Once again, they didn't have patiance, failed to see the scope and fluidity of CK.
- The western parts did a big miss here, mostly by labeling Germany as a "lapdog" of Poland. It might have looked that way, but since certain realms tried to convince Germany to DoW Poland, when Poland was already grossly outnumbered, not so wise, since such things might trigger a "love for the underdog". Furthermore, by not DoWing Poland, who was the main antagonist, and only Germany, you missed to whole thing about the war. A diplomatic blunder.
- When the eastern parts failed, mostly because lack of patiance, the western part did a really big blunder. They took land from Germany. Big mistake, know why? Since you lost a potential ally. Sure, Germany supported Poland in THIS war, but next one, not that sure. You could have argued that Piast was no good catholic, and Germany might have aided, or atleast be neutral. But now? You have driven Germany firmly into the camp of Poland. Why? Lack of patiance. When the eastern war was lost, you wanted something out of it. So you took land from Germany, as a concellation price.
Oh, and the peacing was silly, I couldn't reject, and yet you were not agree to what to take from me. Big mistake, to go into a war without primary and secondary goals, PLANNING! is everything. So you bickered, about really silly things like a broke Germany would pay Leon 900 ducats, with what money? And England demanding that not only they would be given Netherlands, but also that Germany would give up any right to have that land in vassalage, permanently. Total bollocks. Fine that you beat me into a pulp, but if I will go trough yet another peace situation that happened, I'm out. If you beat me, take what you want, since I am in no position to say anything else, according to the rules.
Now Germany is broken, but I have patiance. I know that England, France and Naples will sooner or later have a rough spot, and then I will reclaim what is rightfully a part of Germany.
Sid Meier said:
Don't bring other games into this Sid... I've made one comment, and it was a short, inoffensive one, about your disgraceful exit from March Through Time. I would thank you to discuss March Through Time strictly in the specific thread for it.