Kings and heirs as generals, improvement suggestions

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Denkt

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I made a suggestion a few months back on this:

To make ruler and heir generals more interesting why not add in some new effects of their command.

Prestige: A ruler would increase the prestige won and loss by 100% and heir by 50%. That mean with a ruler leading your soldiers you can increase your prestige way more quickly however if you lose battles you will lose alot more prestige which will proabably mostly punish people that try to get their monarch/heir killed.

Ruler winning/losing battles increase/decrease legtimacy: This offers an quick but risky way to increase your legtimacy who otherwise is hard to increase.

Ruler with high legtimacy inspires soldiers while low legtimacy makes them worse: This add another reason to use your ruler as a general, the bonuse could be +10% morale and +5% discipline at legtimacy 75 and above while these being negativa at legtimacy below 50.

Right now their is pretty much no reason to make rulers and heirs to generals other then if you wan't them killed which is a very poor implemention. I think we need to make them quite a bit more useful to add reasons why you would chose to make a ruler (even a good one) into a general.

Legtimacy: Legtimacy is very hard to increase, by making ruler (and possible heirs) gain legtimacy by being victorious on the battlefield would open up a quick but risk way to increase your ruler's legtimacy. Losing battles however could reduce the legtimacy of your ruler.

Prestige: While not being as hard to increase as legtimacy it is very nice to have and why not make rulers that lead armies gain extra prestige over normal generals, the same with heirs.

Army tradition: Rulers probably have some influence on who to pick as a general. A ruler that have lead many battles would probably be better at chosing a good general, thus I think armies lead by rulers should gain extra army tradition from battles.

Inspiration: A ruler with high legtimacy could get an insperation bonus which could come in the form of a morale and discipline bonus like I suggested above. This would give armies lead by a ruler a advantage over armies lead by a ordinary general (which is compensated by the fact that the ordinary general don't carry any risk).

Another way here could be to give each general a personal reputation which is increased by victories and decreased by losses. The personal reputation would increase morale and maybe discipline. Rulers and heirs could use their legtimacy here instead of personal reputation.

Maybe like general prestige in Victoria II, general reputation could make it more expansive to teleport generals by for example decrease legtimacy by removing the general from his current army. Or reputation could only be maintained in the current army and thus you would have to sacrifice reputation if you want to give the general a new command.

Possible: Events that comes from ruler leading armies in battle which could give extra monarch points, extra prestige and legitimacy, loss of monarch stats (incapable), increase of monarch stats, increase of army tradition, increase and decrease of leadership abilities, death and so on.

With these changes using ruler (and heir) offers a quick way to increase several important things but is also risky because death lurks in the next battle.
 
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The prestige and the events thing I agree 100% on, the rest not really.
The reason I don't like the legitimacy gain, is that would be way too strong if you know you are gonna win your battels. But i still like the idea of getting legitmacy of events that triggers when leading an army.

The extra army tradition , not really, I don't really have a reason there, the same with inspiration, what if the soldiers don't like the King, then a morale decrease, no that would just be too complex.

And maybe increase the chance of dying on the battlefield, so this not would be 100% risk free, since right now the chance of your ruler dies in a battel is pretty low.
 
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Denkt

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Well their is another possible cost of using rulers and that is if you have the possibility of having a general with better stats who can lead your army.