Kingdom Stage : Dynasties of the Newbies

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I have to agree with Bob Nab, what you are doing is pretty bad. If you were subbed and I told your sub England had an outstanding loan of 2000 ducats to me, he payed it and later I would not pay it back, how would you feel?

I agree with you and Bob Ozzeh. But it is not 2000 ducats - it was 91 ducats and I was really in crisis back then - it was not made for fun nor for provocation. And if I was in Bob's position I would say; please can you give me that money back? Everything would be settled with that single magic word. Also sry is a good word too and I never heard it from Bob. Such things annoy me.

Under mask of joking he is insulting constantly. Or I have that impression. But he never ever said, sry it was a joke, or I appologise if you understood something wrong. Don't force me to pull out posts about Croatia, posts that I have lice and so on and on and on... I didn't pay attention to that untill I got that feeling that he is provoking me inside game. When I tried to talk with him his diplomacy was; I did that because I wanned to; you can do nothing about that and so on. That is hostile diplomacy and on top of that he is constantly ordering England or me what to do. Don't trade in Ingermainland, I won't unembargo you. No discussion. Give me money. No discussion. Have I made myself clear?... and so on and so on...

I call that unpolite behaviour, weather you talk with someone younger, your age or older, not to mention different countries and diplomacy. It is out of roleplaying and out of boundaries of any diplomacy. Imagine that Tony Blair comes to German or any other leader and starts ordering him to revoke what Prime Minister before him has done, using sentences "have I made myself clear?". It wouldn't be hillarious - it would be scandal. And if it is between Bob and me, he could say, even irritated; can you, pleeeease , give me my money back!!! I would say simply ok and return that maybe even with interest! And I would say THANK YOU! Not because I want to or because I really feel gratitude! If I forgot to say that and he warned me, I would say sry! Weather I was sry or not!

And no, England won't return that money untill letter of appologise came to London with polite question for return of the cash with reasonable interest and explanation.

 

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I really do not care about the money, but the fact remains you abused my countries sub by asking for something, that you knew the perm player would not grant you. And that is unacceptable in my opinion.

Whooa, wait a minute Bob - I wasn't abused or anything - Nab asked me for some cash to prepare himself for the war against *CENSORED* ( ) - I knew, that I'm not competent to give whole bunch of your money, so I sent him personal gift ( something around 83 ducats I guess ) - later, he asked me for few coins to send merchants - it was extremely funny for me, but good fun is part of this game so I sent him 14 or 15 d - totally I gave him 97 or 98 ducats. I wanted to tell Nab, to give it back later, but I was busy with managing your empire ( it's kinda difficult to get an idea, what another player wants to accomplish with Russia in 5 minutes... ). I was trying to connect your colonies in Siberia and blockade path to China trough Kazachstan with tp's/colonies. I've also had to fight few rebellions so I just forgot this case - but I wouldn't surely, if I knew that is so important matter for both of you :wacko:

Ofc, I got some impression that England is my friend, but at the beginning, when I asked who is my friend, everybody declared that they're ( hmm, now it sounds strange to me, but it was so obvious in that particular moment of game...perhaps I'm naive ). More or less, when I asked Swedish perm ( Fnuco iirc ) what is my political situation, he didn't put any list of enemies, so I felt free to forge Russia diplomacy on my own style

Next time just give somebody instructions for your sub - I'm sure you will evade similar situations :wacko:

I have to agree with Bob Nab, what you are doing is pretty bad. If you were subbed and I told your sub England had an outstanding loan of 2000 ducats to me, he payed it and later I would not pay it back, how would you feel?

That's totally different situation - Nab asked me for a
money but he didn't make any impression that I HAVE TO give money to him.

Besides, if he would asked me for such amount of cash, I'd have to get info about such deal from the other source, or I would probably just tell him that he has to wait for perm coming. This example is totally different from what happened in the game...

 

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Hey that is fine, Faello you didn't really know what to do and it seemed reasonable, I am just wondering , why Nab asked you in the first place and why not there ally, france?

For example the merchant thing? Why the hell would he ask a sub for 10£ ? I mean that is just stupid. England is as rich as Russia and there is no reason why England should be asking you to pay its merchant costs.

And if you look carefully I just asked for the money to be editted back, Nab then started asking me to unembargo him in exchange for it back.

And as for Nabs post above there are basically 2 points (apart from the personal insults of course)

1) You really have no choice about returning the money at all, it was a loan and must be paid back,

2) Hard diplomacy? "Stop trading in MY CoT" is the way the game is played, that is why the embargo button is there, and you have threatened me for land in this game, have I done such to you? Of course not yet this happens, look through the posts you have made about me in this thread and take a look at who insults who,

 

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ok.

Well, if i understand correctly. Nab asked a sub to send him money (~100d). Russia was subbed (regency).

Really, I can't understand where the problem is.

sure, the perm wouldn't send money to England, but that's part of the things involved by a regency. Once my sub build a manu in wrong provinces, costing me in the end about 1200d (6d/yr, 200yrs).

I would understand if the regency destroyed the kingdom, but that's not the case, monthly income of Russia is 3 times this amount. but it appears to me that Faello made his decison based on the knowledge he had.

So, why are we even discussing this?

now, Nab is taken by this diplomatic adventure. If he don't send back the money, people won't trust him. Everything is related in the end.

Finally, it's a game.

edit - Not quite coherent.

 

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I really have no problem Bal, I asked for the money to be editted back to me and that would be the end of it, (look at the top of the page) but then Nab demanded that I would only be repaid after I stop the embargo, and then things escalated

I am quite happy to have the matter ended with the money simply being editted.

 

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I am quite happy to have the matter ended with the money simply being editted.

I quote you Bob, but this is adressed to Nab also.

Imo, it doesn't need to be edited. Your country is not screwed by that and the decision was made by a sub based on his knowledge he had.

This detail should only add RPing, which is not the case. (i.e. england's stole 100d in the Royal palace under the nose of the Regent!). Instead, it leads to pointless things (I'll give you back if you give me trade agreement for example).

If Faello had used 5k army to kill rebel in Poland (i.e. asked by Grabah) and you woulnd't do that, would you want your 5k army back?

The thing that I agree to edit is huge mistake by sub. Not a tiny detail like this.

 

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Well if such a detail is too minor for you to edit then I can certainly do it myself.

 

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Hey that is fine, Faello you didn't really know what to do and it seemed reasonable, I am just wondering , why Nab asked you in the first place and why not there ally, france?

For example the merchant thing? Why the hell would he ask a sub for 10£ ? I mean that is just stupid. England is as rich as Russia and there is no reason why England should be asking you to pay its merchant costs.

And if you look carefully I just asked for the money to be editted back, Nab then started asking me to unembargo him in exchange for it back.

And as for Nabs post above there are basically 2 points (apart from the personal insults of course)

1) You really have no choice about returning the money at all, it was a loan and must be paid back,

2) Hard diplomacy? "Stop trading in MY CoT" is the way the game is played, that is why the embargo button is there, and you have threatened me for land in this game, have I done such to you? Of course not yet this happens, look through the posts you have made about me in this thread and take a look at who insults who,

Nah Bob! I really needed those 15ducats because I raced for tech, I have spent all my money and I need to send those three merchants. It was frantic situation, I was at -3 stability and England asked Russia for gift. France had a buildup of its own. Your regent allowed that sum of gold to be transferred to my account (I didn't stole anything) and I expressed my grattitude to him and to you (as Russia) in post 907. of this thread. Since it was a gift I didn't have the obligation even to tell you. But I was honest and I agreed to return that money.

After all, you was late, Faello (to whom you should be thankfull for subbing) subbed as regent, it was gift, I expressed my grattitude in the manner of very polite diplomacy and I promised to return money back if new King would like that, :wacko: (never heard of returning of a gift) when our relations improve. I did it in best manners of western diplomacy but Russia went berserk in completely out of roleplay way.

I agreed to return your GIFT even without diplomacy (lifting of an embargo) only if you humanly asked me for money as I have heard people do in western civilisation. With word please. You are still refusing to use words sry, thx and please and I won't comment on your behavuiour further.

And, PLEASE, don't consider this as a fight between us, consider it as ingame roleplaying move. You can't order other country to return GIFT from your previous leader! At least Elrond, as King of England won't accept that kind of Russian barbaric behaviour. Eastern nations are far behind in culture but they have a lot to learn, and we, English, will help them!

 

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And the point is that Nab convinced my sub to give him money, this was not a difference in policy between me and my regent but a perm player trying to subvert a sub.
Like I mentioned above, why the hell did Nab need 10 ducats to send traders? or 100 ducats for anything else as he didn't have any loans to pay off, Nab intiated that

Bob I had two loans and third approaching! Mayors was still not even close and I was at -3 stability! And I thanked Russia using word THANKS, now only thing you have to do is use other word PLEASE and I agree for that money to be transferred to your account (98d) with interest of 10%. I just want word PLEASE and use of bonton here and that's it. You can't order other country what to do with scandal like this. There is roleplaying, diplomacy, rules of behaviour and decency. You have engulfed yourself in hatred so much that you forgot simple things of communication and bonton.

 

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Where did the post I have quoted gone?

 

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Alright quite simply I do not care anymore, 100 ducats means nothing to me in the long run and it is not worth these stupid insults from Nab.

I was trying to get what I feel I was deserved but whatever.

If you want to roleplay please do it in the other thread by the way, this was started as an edit request not as an accusation of theft by the evil spies of England.

 

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Where did the post I have quoted gone?

In Oblivion.

 

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Alright quite simply I do not care anymore, 100 ducats means nothing to me in the long run and it is not worth these stupid insults from Nab.

I was trying to get what I feel I was deserved but whatever.

Bob can u utter (write) simple magic word that should be used in every occasion (even in communication with the enemies)? I'll give you back 200ducats. Please say that! Please!

 

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300d for simple word from bonton isn't that profitable?

 

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OK if you have gone to sleep THANK you for your time, and King of England APPOLOGISES if Russian court was hurt in any way. Since England considers Russia as its naturall ally, we hope that this unfortunate event won't hurt international relations of out two brave nations. PLEASE consider England as an nation that wishes all the best to the mighty Russian Empire.

Elrond
King of England

 

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Nab, the fact that you asked for a agreement on trade before saying that you would give him back makes things worse.

So, before he can even think about saying : scuzi bla bla maybe you might tell Bob that you made a mistake by saying that? Otherwise, I would also be insulted.

 

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Time for something else:

I will be gone over the weekend. I think it would be a good idea to start looking for a new perm/semi-perm Spain. Spain is important, and the diplomacy for next session will surely start soon.

 

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Balinus, since my stupid email does not work, I have sent my actions thru a PM!

 

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Nab, the fact that you asked for a agreement on trade before saying that you would give him back makes things worse.

So, before he can even think about saying : scuzi bla bla maybe you might tell Bob that you made a mistake by saying that? Otherwise, I would also be insulted.

Ok Bal, I appologise Bob! I was wrong! It was my mistake! Mea culpa!

Will you say please now Bob? One magic word and 300 ducats - it is magic man

P.S. and no, he didn't have to say scuzi (sry) just please

 

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Ok Bal, I appologise Bob! I was wrong! It was my mistake! Mea culpa!

Will you say please now Bob? One magic word and 300 ducats - it is magic man

P.S. and no, he didn't have to say scuzi (sry) just please

Go back a few posts where you say that you use "Please" and "Sorry" even when you don't feel these emotions, that makes your post rather foolish doesn't it.
And you can pay it back or not, but to think that 300 ducats will make me change my philosophy on this is rather silly.
Anyway the issue is over, so if you would please not mention it in this thread again I would be happy,

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