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DoubleA

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Would it be possible to somehow acquire the Papacy and not end up as a theocracy? And would it be possible as a Catholic?

Currently the Orsini (I have the Duchy of Sicily with 4/6 counties - the other two belong to the Kingdom of Sicily, aka Apulina), so I figure if it's possible, it's possible as them.
 

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I don't think so. I tried once as the Orsini and usurped the Papacy, but only ended up as the Pope. Interesting enough stuff, but my dynasty ended with the death of my character despite having a lot of successors.
 

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Would usurping the Pope, then switching to your suddenly landed son work?

Or can you just make your second or third son Pope in the first place?
 

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I have no idea about switching, I made the noob mistake of still holding all my lands so when I became pope they all became theocracies.

You can easily make your second or third son the pope! Give him a bishoriphic, make him an anti-pope and then press his claim on the Papacy. He'll be the Pope which is a nice prestige and piety bonus from his part to the dynastic score, but other than that... no use to it.
 

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How about:
1. Conquer Rome
2. Give Rome County title to the local Baron (the castle)
3. Revoke the now "County of Rome", set as your capital city
4. Usurp/Create Papacy title?

Maybe that would work?
 
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Don't think so