Kingdom of Jerusalem unique NI's?

[Volmar]

Won't have time to play till the weekend, so I thought I'd just ask here.

Anyone knows if forming Kingdom of Jerusalem with either Knights or Cyprus will lead to new NI's or will I keep the NI's from my original nation?

Thx in advance.

 

[Comes Imperii]

Won't have time to play till the weekend, so I thought I'd just ask here.

Anyone knows if forming Kingdom of Jerusalem with either Knights or Cyprus will lead to new NI's or will I keep the NI's from my original nation?

Thx in advance.

You keep your ideas.

 

[Volmar]

You keep your ideas.

Thx for the fast response. Can spend the rest of the day deciding which NI's I like better, before starting my weekend session

 

[petertel123]

Only an CK2 exported kingdom of jerusalem has unique ideas, I'm not sure why they dont just give those ideas to jerusalem if you form/release it in eu4 (they seem quite fitting to me)

 

[Comes Imperii]

Thx for the fast response. Can spend the rest of the day deciding which NI's I like better, before starting my weekend session

The Knights ideas are definitely stronger since they get +50% naval FL instead of +20%, +25% privateer efficiency (vs +15%) and they have +5% discipline from start.
However Cyprus gets cheaper and stronger galleys, faster claims (very nice), diprep, production efficiency and naval tradition decay.
I think it is a more balanced, diplomatic set. Another advantage of Cyprus is that they start in a better position to conquer the Holy Lands, plus they have a rich province.
You also have to consider that the Kinghts are a theocracy with also bonus PI in their ideas (so may be better staying catholic) while Cyprus is a feudal monarchy with all the bonuses this grants (PUs, HRE etc).
So both are very solid choices, depends on your playstyle really. I for one would go for Cyprus, since I already played the Knights and well I think that Cyprus has the best claims on reforming the kingdom of Jerusalem from an RP perspective, since it is a monarchy .

 

[Vedinu]

So how does this Jerusalem work? Do you get to play as it or is it just a vassal of yours?

 

[Comes Imperii]

So how does this Jerusalem work? Do you get to play as it or is it just a vassal of yours?

You can form it if your tag is KNI or CYP.

 

[Andrzej2]

I rarely manage to conquer Jerusalem and convert it to catholicism before reformation starts. They should remove those limitations, freeing holy land is hard anyway. Also releasing kingdom of Jerusalem should give some great bonus not only 25 prestige.

 

[Wolfeson]

I for one would go for Cyprus, since I already played the Knights and well I think that Cyprus has the best claims on reforming the kingdom of Jerusalem from an RP perspective, since it is a monarchy .

Not just any monarchy. The ruling dynasty of Cyprus (the Lusignans) are in fact the descendants of the last king of Jerusalem prior to its conquest by the Saracens in 1187. If you're familiar with that period (or have seen the movie Kingdom of Heaven), you may remember Guy de Lusignan. He arranged his marriage to Sibylla, King Baldwin IV's sister, who ultimately became Baldwin's only surviving heir. Guy was crowned as Sibylla's king consort in 1186, and then promptly led his army to disaster at the Battle of Hattin the next year, thus sealing the Kingdom of Jerusalem's fate. Guy then tried to enlist Richard the Lionheart's support to regain Jerusalem during the Third Crusade, but after the crusade failed to recapture Jerusalem, he was given Cyprus as a consolation, thus beginning the dynasty that continues to rule the island at the 1444 start.

 

[Comes Imperii]

Not just any monarchy. The ruling dynasty of Cyprus (the Lusignans) are in fact the descendants of the last king of Jerusalem prior to its conquest by the Saracens in 1187. If you're familiar with that period (or have seen the movie Kingdom of Heaven), you may remember Guy de Lusignan. He arranged his marriage to Sibylla, King Baldwin IV's sister, who ultimately became Baldwin's only surviving heir. Guy was crowned as Sibylla's king consort in 1186, and then promptly led his army to disaster at the Battle of Hattin the next year, thus sealing the Kingdom of Jerusalem's fate. Guy then tried to enlist Richard the Lionheart's support to regain Jerusalem during the Third Crusade, but after the crusade failed to recapture Jerusalem, he was given Cyprus as a consolation, thus beginning the dynasty that continues to rule the island at the 1444 start.

Yeah I know, that's what I was also referring to when I said best claims from an RP perspective.

 

[Nikolaj-11]

You can form Jerusalem and play as them now?

Is that a new thing from the latest patch? I only heard of Inca being formable are there any others, like maybe Croatia as Ragusa?

 

[Volmar]

You can form Jerusalem and play as them now?

Is that a new thing from the latest patch? I only heard of Inca being formable are there any others, like maybe Croatia as Ragusa?

Yes, but only when you start as either Cyprus or the Knights. You need to control 3 provinces, one being Jerusalem.

 

[Comes Imperii]

You need to control 3 provinces, one being Jerusalem.

And Jerusalem being catholic, and ofc all of this before the Reformation kicks in

 

[Nikolaj-11]

Still, pretty cool. Any word on Croatia or other new formable nations?

 

[unmerged(652342)]

The Knights ideas are definitely stronger since they get +50% naval FL instead of +20%, +25% privateer efficiency (vs +15%) and they have +5% discipline from start.
However Cyprus gets cheaper and stronger galleys, faster claims (very nice), diprep, production efficiency and naval tradition decay.
I think it is a more balanced, diplomatic set. Another advantage of Cyprus is that they start in a better position to conquer the Holy Lands, plus they have a rich province.
You also have to consider that the Kinghts are a theocracy with also bonus PI in their ideas (so may be better staying catholic) while Cyprus is a feudal monarchy with all the bonuses this grants (PUs, HRE etc).
So both are very solid choices, depends on your playstyle really. I for one would go for Cyprus, since I already played the Knights and well I think that Cyprus has the best claims on reforming the kingdom of Jerusalem from an RP perspective, since it is a monarchy .

- and i would add that Knights are western tech and Cyprus are eastern.

 

[Comes Imperii]

- and i would add that Knights are western tech and Cyprus are eastern.

True. I forgot to add it. Actually I was a bit surprised when I discovered it yesterday when having a look at Cyprus.

 

[huhuhaha]

Is it confirmed that it has to be pre Reformation? Doesn't say anything in the national decision tooltip.

 

[Comes Imperii]

Still, pretty cool. Any word on Croatia or other new formable nations?

Croatia is not formable, just a releasable nation as in 1.7

Is it confirmed that it has to be pre Reformation? Doesn't say anything in the national decision tooltip.

Because it is a requirement of the 'potential' category.

 

[Nikolaj-11]

Dammit you can't play as released nations on Ironman can you? I really wanted to do a Croatia pt in the future. Like their ideas.

 

[Comes Imperii]

Dammit you can't play as released nations on Ironman can you?

Unfortunately not.