Kingdom of Georgia

[Reavici]

Greetings.
I had several attempts to improve Georgia in EU4. Playing as a Georgia doesn't seems fun, besides being stuck in Islamic world, it has nothing special to be attractive. by having randomized provinces and few tags It lacks atmosphere. Caucasus is homeland of hundreds of different warlike tribes/ethnicities after all... of course every ethnicities won't be represented but several nations are esential, at least for having fun playing in the Caucasus region.
this thread is only concentrated on the topics related to Georgia.
Adminsitrative subdivision of Georgia

• I have split Svaneti (1) from the Imereti province based on several reasons. Svaneti is homeland of Svan people, who are subgroup of Georgians, formally dependant of Imereti, it was ruled by local nobles known as Dadeshkeliani and Gelovani. Imereti province is mix of lowlands and hills covered by forest, while Svaneti is very mountainous province, which was never conquered by any foreign invaders except Russian Empire in 1858.

• Klarjeti lately known as Adjara (2) was changing in hands of Georgian principalities of Guria and Samtskhe, it was finally conquered by Ottomans in 1547. during Ottoman period, area was target of Ottoman Islamization policy and many locals gradually converted to Islam. Adjara was liberated by Russians in 1828 and made into independnet Batumi oblast.

• south Armenia and Georgia, especially Kars (3) and Samtskhe region was frontiers of 3 empires in different times. after treatry of Amasya (1555) principality of Samtskhe was split between Ottomans and Persia. Ottomans took Adjara and Tao, while Persia got Samtskhe and Kars. in the next conflicts Ottomans managed to defeat Persians again and fully annex region. on the newly incorporated areas, Ottomans created "Gurjistan vilayet" (Governate of Georgia) ruled by house of Jaqeli, ex-rulers of principality of Samtskhe. Kars is Armenian core province, with Armenian majority, while Samtskhe is Georgian province.

• Mtianeti (4) is generalized name of eastern Georgian mountains, populated by Georgian mountaineer communities, it deserves to be represented as a separated province for different reasons. demographics of eastern Georgia was not simple, except having Kartlian and Kakhetian identities, which were evolved and based on rivalry between feudals, there were also Burgoises from the towns, especially in Tbilisi and Mountaineers who partially or never adopted feudalism and christianity, their mindest, tradition and law differed from the lowlanders. Svans and Mtiels along with other north Caucasians, like Ossetians, Circassians, Chechens etc shared same mountainous mentality. Mtianeti is very mountainous region. Georgian legal codex “Dzeglis Deba” was created specifically for Mtianeti region during the reign of George V of Georgia (1286/1289 - 1346).

Dariali Dar-i Alān meaning "Gate of the Alans" pass was main thing that was determining importance of Georgian kingdoms in ancient times. It was known since antiquity (it was mentioned by Strabo in his Geographica and by Pliny). The route was first used by Russian troops in 1769. Caucasus needs to be splited just like Alpes.

 

[Reavici]

United Georgian Kingdom lasted until 1490s, when it was finally desintegrated into small pieces.

Spoiler: The Disintegration of the Kingdom of Georgia

Trigger conditions

• Is Kingdom of Georgia
• Ruler has less than 3 in all skills
• Does not have a regency
• Year is between 1463 and 1493

Spoiler: map

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  Kingdom of Kakheti (1465–1762) - ruled by Bagrationi dynasty.
• 
  Kingdom of Kartli (1466–1762) - ruled by Bagrationi dynasty

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  Principality of Samtskhe (1266–1625) - ruled by House of Jakeli
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  Kingdom of Imereti (1465-1810) - ruled by Bagrationi dynasty

Kingdom of Imereti itself consisted several semi-independent duchies, like:

• Abkhazia
• Odishi
• Svaneti
• Guria.

another Formable state

Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti (1762–1801)

Potential Requirements:
Georgia does not exist.
Target Country:

• is not at war.
• is not a subject nation other than a tributary state.
• is not a nomad nation.
  
• owns core province Tbilisi (423).
  
• owns core province Kakheti (2203).
  
• owns core province Kartli (4301).

 

[Machabeli]

Nice informative suggestion for Georgia, i like it, but in your map Georgia is still lacking few more essential provinces, for example there needs to be a province of Kvemo kartli separating Yerevan from Tbilisi. also provinces like kak eliseni(Saingilo), Jiqeti and Lazeti would be a nice addition.

 

[Machabeli]

Machabeli, as I already noted this thread is concentrated on the topics related to only Georgia.

I don't understand what you're getting at, in my comment when did i mention any other country but Georgia?

Tbilisi is center of lower Iberia. There is no need to add Tashir/Lore province.

Lower Iberia? what century's administration of Georgia are you using exactly?? Tbilisi and Yerevan bordering each other like that is pretty damn stupid and and unhistorical in general, there needs to be a province of Kvemo kartli separating Tbilisi from Yerevan.

districts in Iberia:
capital - district
1) Akhaltsikhe - upper Iberia
2) Gori/Uplistsikhe - inner Iberia
3) Mtskheta - inner Iberia / Mtianeti
4) Tbilisi - lower Iberia

That's not how Georgia was administered during the late medieval period.

 

[Reavici]

Tbilisi never existed as separated province alongside Lower Iberia province, it was built on Lower Iberia itself in V century AD. after the Arab invasion it was turned into separated emirat

Spoiler

 

[Reavici]

Medieval Georgian equipment

Spoiler

 

[Machabeli]

Tbilisi never existed as separated province alongside Lower Iberia province, it was built on Lower Iberia itself in V century AD. after the Arab invasion it was turned into separated emirat

Ok? yet again Eu4 isn't based around that time period so mentioning all of that is kind of pointless, and yeah having Tbilisi as its own province doesn't really make a lot of sense historically but since there's already a province of Yerevan i guess for simplicity's sake it's understandable, but with all that being said Kvemo kartli is still a needed as a province for separating Yerevan from Tbilisi

 

[Machabeli]

Medieval Georgian equipment

Wew lad those are some nice paintings! where is that from?

 

[Reavici]

 

[Zak Preston]

I still think Georgia should get better military NIs (discipline, morale would do for a start).

 

[Machabeli]

Nice picture Reavici that surely will be helpful in the future.(though the picture quality is pretty low quality)

I still think Georgia should get better military NIs (discipline, morale would do for a start).

Well truthfully i'm quite content with what ideas Georgia has now, what Georgia really needs right now are new provinces, new tags, and events for some flavor and gameplay.

 

[Machabeli]

So I've decided to make a map with new provinces that i think should be added.
(Warning my drawing skills are abysmal)

So the new provinces that i think should be added are: Kvemo Kartli, Khevsureti, Tusheti, and Kak eliseni.

 

[DreamFamiliar]

The big problem in here is the fact that Georgia and Caucasus itself was kind of left out in the recent patches. A lot of people like me expected some big changes in the Cradle of civilization because well, as much as classifying Caucasus in the middle east not the most correct thing, it was the closest we could get. Adding Samtskhe and imereti on the map + several provinces was ok, but considering how complex this region itself is, it needs more attention

So, unless paradox decides to focus directly on the Caucasus itself, we are at a deadpoint. Every single region around the Caucasus had an update and I dont think we will be seeing something like "Malaysian sultanates + Caucasus" update anytime soon