King grants county to wife, kingdom disappears

[Solmyr]

There was a weird bug in my game last night. Somehow, the wife of the King of Poland got the county of Opole (I'm not sure about the exact details that led to this, since Opole starts owned by Silesia). Then I noticed that the kingdom of Poland had disappeared, and instead all its lands were showing up as "owned by the county of Opole". The King himself still had all his titles (including the royal Polish counties), but was residing in his wife's court. I've got a save game if it helps.

Maybe the Polish king was just too submissive.

 

[Cat Lord]

I have seen that happening when you give your very first original title.

I.e. if I play count of X, and manage to become king of Y, if I give away my count of X title, very strange things are happening.

Has anyone seen this behaviour as well ?

Cat

 

[Zebulba]

Almost the same but with duke titles instead, if i am duke of x beome king of y and give my duke of x title away to count of z he will be the ruler of all the counties wich dosent have a duke over them, he will even take away the counties wich is in my duchy borders

 

[lenny]

Almost the same but with duke titles instead, if i am duke of x beome king of y and give my duke of x title away to count of z he will be the ruler of all the counties wich dosent have a duke over them, he will even take away the counties wich is in my duchy borders

This is due to the fact that vassals will remember their liege if the title is not destroyed. I think it is the same phenomenon that causes vassals to go independent if you create them in conquered land before peace.

An example from one of my games:
I, the Duke of Flanders, managed to inherit the Duke of Lower Lorraine which transferred all his vassals to me. I then created the Duke titles of Brabant and Friesland from the newly obtained lands. Later I became King of France and wanted to create Dukes as vassals. If I create a Duke of Lower Lorraine he will get all the vassals of the Duchy before I had inherited, thus all of Friesland and Brabant. However, if I first create the Dukes of Brabant and Friesland they will get the count vassals belonging to the respective Duchies, as it should be with 1.03b. Then I can release the Duke of Lower Lorraine and he will get the remaining Dukes.

That's also what happens if you started as a Duke, become King and then give away your initial Duke title. Your new vassal will get all your former count vassal as they remember the Duke as their liege, not the new King title.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

I.e. if I play count of X, and manage to become king of Y, if I give away my count of X title, very strange things are happening.

It is because vassals are tracked by liege TITLE, not by liege PERSON, and follow the TITLE as it is handed around. It is the same that happens when you take titles in war.

In some way, it is even historically accurate, but it is unfortunate as the character interface indicates that vassals should be tracked by liege PERSON, which is not the case.

 

[Solmyr]

I think what happened in my game was this:

- Opole started as a county ruled by a Polish vassal (also count of Upper and Lower Silesia)
- the Polish king asked to marry a woman in the count's court
- at the same time the count granted that woman the county of Opole
- then the marriage was accepted, meaning the new countess was now married to the Polish king
- some weird things happen and Poland merges into the county