Is it supposed to be so that after forming a kingdom or empire(Rus and Russia for me) sucsession law changed to Gavelkind(I got an elective) and to change it you have to rule for 10 years from the formation of the kingdom\empire?
Kigdom and Empire resetting to gavelkind?
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Ive been asking myself the same. Since 1.06, all newly created kingdoms and empires default to Gavelkind instead of adapting the laws of your primary crown, like before.
Personally i think this is silly, it only makes sense your existing laws would apply to a brand new crown, like they still do for auth/papal stance/gender succession.
No patch notes that Ive seen indicate this was intended either.
So Im thinking possibly a bug but not sure.
Personally i think this is silly, it only makes sense your existing laws would apply to a brand new crown, like they still do for auth/papal stance/gender succession.
No patch notes that Ive seen indicate this was intended either.
So Im thinking possibly a bug but not sure.
Worth posting as a bug, since this seems to be too large a change to have been glossed over in the changelog.
You also get the short reign penalty when, in fact, you may have been ruling all the same vassals for a couple decades and one would presume that most of them either be in favor of independence of would not care much one way or another.
Always been that way.
But I do hope they change it indeed. Only new vassals should suffer from the short reign period, old vassals should continue to regard the king/ruler for who he is.
the short reign is as intended(or at least i assume so) as it has been in in 1.05 ffor sure and if i recall right it was already in at 1.0 as well
The problem is - i have no idea if it's a bug or intended to be so. For example to simulate a period of kingdom\empire formation and instability after administrative changes...I have no idea
Not just kingdoms and empires but also duchies.
After nearly 200 years of service to the Kings and Queens of Norway, and holding both counties of Iceland for all that time, I finally got fed up with each successive count being told no upon requesting the Duchy of Iceland (one of many titles held by the successive Kings and Queens).
So I fought a triumphant war of independence and proceeded to usurp the title. As a double count, the law of succession was Agnatic-Cognatic Elective. The Queen that held the title previously was at Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture (both on mouse-over of the Duchy and the Kingship).
Nope! Now it's gavelkind and suddenly it's like my vassals (a pair of mayors) don't recognize me (back to -16 for short reign). My newly minted Duke is 52 years old and unlikely to live out the sudden 10 year requirement to change the law of successsion.
Just another nasty little surprise.
After nearly 200 years of service to the Kings and Queens of Norway, and holding both counties of Iceland for all that time, I finally got fed up with each successive count being told no upon requesting the Duchy of Iceland (one of many titles held by the successive Kings and Queens).
So I fought a triumphant war of independence and proceeded to usurp the title. As a double count, the law of succession was Agnatic-Cognatic Elective. The Queen that held the title previously was at Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture (both on mouse-over of the Duchy and the Kingship).
Nope! Now it's gavelkind and suddenly it's like my vassals (a pair of mayors) don't recognize me (back to -16 for short reign). My newly minted Duke is 52 years old and unlikely to live out the sudden 10 year requirement to change the law of successsion.
Just another nasty little surprise.
Yeah this happened to me as a count recently. I am a super count in Hungary and i FINALLY got the chance to destroy a false duke and make the title.... I make it and .... BAM gavel kind instead of Primo. Worse still , CA is now at automos and there is virtually 0 chance of me implementing any other succession laws now because my ruler is 75 (needs 10 years).
=/...... Super dukes were already overpowered. This really just makes the situation worse.
=/...... Super dukes were already overpowered. This really just makes the situation worse.
I just created 5 more crowns in my game, all Gavelkind, hmph. Lets hope my king lasts 10 more years.
Not sure if it's related or not, but in my current game (1.06 with CK2+ v. 1.22) I spent quite some time building up the prestige and relations necessary to enact primogeniture, since I had three sons and didn't want to deal with conquering quite a bit of England again (playing originally as a created ruler Count of Devon, now Duke of Cornwall, Somerset, Lancaster, and with my first son Duke of Norfolk.) I finally got the 500 prestige necessary in CK2+ to make the succession law change. My first son inherited and amalgamated all the holdings, so that was successful. I played a couple years until he had a son (his second) and I noticed that my holdings were going to be split up again on his death: I went to look and sure enough my succession law had reverted to gavelkind.
I wonder if maybe this has to do with me changing primary titles? My son's primary title was Norfolk but I didn't like the coloration it gave the map, so I switched primary back to Cornwall. It was after this that he had his second son and I noticed the issue.
Hope this is a bug and not WAD, because it makes no sense to me, and I'm frustrated at the time I put into earning that prestige. Hope it can be fixed soon!
I wonder if maybe this has to do with me changing primary titles? My son's primary title was Norfolk but I didn't like the coloration it gave the map, so I switched primary back to Cornwall. It was after this that he had his second son and I noticed the issue.
Hope this is a bug and not WAD, because it makes no sense to me, and I'm frustrated at the time I put into earning that prestige. Hope it can be fixed soon!
Sounds like you changed the succession law of your last gained duchy and then switched primacy of your main duchy to another one, therefore being subject to that duchy's primary law. Which I assume was gavelkind as that is the standard. (if you switch back to the one you changed laws off, then it should be fine, but you can only change once per ruler, I hope u can still change)
EDIT: I just resigned the game, and in the scrolling list of rulers by points, it showed William III as "William II of Lancaster," not William III of Cornwall as I assumed he should be. Maybe I somehow switched my primary with that one and set Lancaster as primogeniture. Unfortunately I have no autosaves back far enough to test this, so I'll have to just assume this is what went wrong. Pretty confusing IMO, and still pretty frustrating, but looks like it was my error and perhaps not a bug after all.
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Just go into the console, allow_laws, switch your succession laws, and turn allow_laws off again.
Saves you the headacke you don't really deserve as a beginning player imho
I've had this happen as well. It's pretty frustrating as you might get screwed out of territory this way.
I think this is a balance issue to break up blobs. It was too easy to keep big realms when all kingdom tittles you created had your other tittles succession law. Not to mention that its now good to plan when you create a tittle. It might not be wise to do so with a king thats already fifty.
No way, if it was intended it would have been at the top of the patch notes.
Furthermore its not like AI blobs create extra kingdom titles all that often, if at all. All it does is piss off the players unrealistically, because if a Kingdom with a long, say, Elective tradition creates a new title, it would logically never even consider making the new title Gavelkind. The old system of using the Primary's title's laws was far better.