Keeping Sweden in the Kalmar Union is now impossible

[Admiral Fisker]

Before 1.8 it was entirely possible to keep Sweden in the Kalmar Union, after 1.8 it was still possible to keep Sweden in the Kalmar Union - But it was pretty hard. I managed to keep Sweden in the Kalmar Union by allying with France, joining the Hundred Years War, and then giving Sweden gifts - Giving them the +25 relations with me. Now however, that's not possible anymore. Sweden breaks the Kalmar Union far too early, and far too often. Furthermore, you have to have 200 relations, or else they will be hostile, and they will break free. Seriously, I tried having 199 relations with Sweden, yet they still broke free. But you will almost never make it to 199, because Sweden will now break free before it is possible for you to ally France.

So I really can't see a way to keep Sweden in the union anymore - Why does it have to be so hard to keep them in the Kalmar Union?

 

[Osman Pasha]

I want to try playing as denmark (surprisingly my first western nation game), Shenryyr did a Danish campaign recently, watch his videos.

 

[mattkunz]

It's not like them revolting immediately ends the union. Having Sweden ready to revolt as soon as you let yourself be weak actually sounds like a fun game.

 

[Clownie]

How about, um, like... beat them...? You know, with your soldiers? At war?

 

[ParadogsGamer]

How about, um, like... beat them...? You know, with your soldiers? At war?

The Union is gone for good if you fight them.

 

[Varvs]

my first game after art of war was as denmark. Well its still going. Had to start over a few times in the first years cuz sweden declared independence very soon. Once it declared war on day 2 xD
improving relations and get into a quick war does the trick. picked influence as first idear ... cuz diplo anexing

 

[Admiral Fisker]

How about, um, like... beat them...? You know, with your soldiers? At war?

Then you will have to wait until the 1500's before you can annex them.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Then you will have to wait until the 1500's before you can annex them.

Can't you restore the union and take more provinces to make them weaker?

 

[solidprice]

Do you think you think you can still join the hre as Denmark without Sweden DOWing?
any good allies to help?

 

[eustachio]

I've seen AI Denmark maintain the union, annex Sweden and then form Scandinavia in my latest game in this patch.

 

[FreeSoc]

I've seen AI Denmark maintain the union, annex Sweden and then form Scandinavia in my latest game in this patch.

Yep, me too. Clearly the AI does *something* right.

 

[bbqftw]

if keeping Sweden locked in a war is mostly sufficient to avoid an independence war, no-CB Novgorod to start off?

That seems like the easiest way to burn Sweden's manpower at less risk to yourself.

 

[CPTblackadder]

If they do declare independence can't you just fully annex them after? Perhaps release them as a vassal afterwards to be more loyal. Not sure if this is actually a thing, but I'm fairly sure I've seen people talk about it.

 

[Bloodyfield]

They sometimes dont declare or cant find sufficient supporting powers. In my recent Denmark game, they were hostile for about 20 years and did not attack (until I got them to +200) and I integrated them very quickly.

Its funny, because before 1.8 I never ever had a non revolting Sweden in more than 10 starts.

 

[herrmarisa]

Look at the Paradox Interactive home country and tell me it wasn't obvious they would make Sweden OP and be able to leave the Union very easily.

 

[maquis196]

I'd declare war on Novgorod, give Sweden a province or two in the peace, whilst at war send diplomat to increase relations.

 

[Strangedane]

Erhm.

I'm at 1640 and still have both union partners.
I'm greedy enough to wait for the inheritance.

Sweden haven't even tried declaring for independence, though they do go hostile from 199 relations and down.

Get some allies. It'll help.

 

[Anreads]

Ally poland. And let Lithuania+Poland smack them

 

[Seleuceia]

Historically, Sweden rebelled many times against Denmark from the time of game start until the union was broken....it SHOULD be hard to keep Sweden in the union, I'm not really sure what the problem is here...I think the bigger issue here is how infrequent Sweden becomes the power it really was...

 

[Freudia]

Can't you just full annex > release as vassal when Sweden breaks free?