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1614-1624​


While it was tempting to annex the Mameluks or the Ottomans, I decided to let them live to let them convert as much as possible before joining the realm of the true faith.

So Abbas I. could celebrate the greatness of our empire and the true faith with their allies:
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I decided to consolidate our holdings and expand the true faith a little bit more. Because of this first I hunted down the pirates in the persian gulf and reestablished our monopoly in Isfahan.

As beeing one of the few long followers of the true faiths I allowed a Yeminte Princes to marry the second oldest son of our realm.
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Early 1615 I sent the mamleuks a gift, increasing our realtions to +200.

Later the large cities like our capital, but even new aquired ones, demanded more rights. I accepted, sure that we soon would be able to nulify their efforts with a planned reform for more might in the Hands of the Shah.

At the end of June I declared war after our preparations for the holy war against Mogadishu. A nice site effect was that one of the two last heretic realms of Arabia joinde them: Aden.

Kiva and the Uzbeks dared to Dishonour our alliance!
Some diplomats could get them back in very easy.

The war began quick, destroying a dozend african armies, they even dared to invade holy persia itself, nobody of them came ever home again.
More trick was the situation when Aden let a counteroffensive with their 43.000 troops, the could even defeat our 10.000 men storng army invading from the north however, this left their home with only 4.000 men.
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They could repulse the Mameluk attack (11.000 Men) but the brave persian soldiers were victorious. The Capital was sieged and with 25.000 Mamluks arriving it was quickly stormed. Just before that their surving troops were defeated on african coil by our glorious Shah.
270108122001_Battle.jpg


The joined the true faith and 100 gold were the tribute.

Table gained city status and a city wall was build. The new province administrator tried to expanded his new might and sent a trader to the rich copper area in bushman (misclicked).

March 1618 there was a merchant conflict with the Uzebks wich I let go (-25 realtion, casus belli for 60 month) otherwise we would have lost 500 gold in trade. But get the uzebeks friendly again would surley cost less than 500 gold. 8 gold brought us back to +161.

The war against mogadishu took long as they always get a 10.000 strong army somewhere and sieged our conquered provinces on the other side of their realms.

1619 Isfahan attracted more poeple into the capital. Shortly after the war was over: Mogadishu converted, gave military acess and 100 gold.

In the end of 1619 we introduced a new tax wich gave us 6 revolts and a stability hit.

While in Quetta 2000 Persians defeated 25.000 rebels with only small looses in Isfhan the royal guard lost 6000 brave men to the 30.000 rebels that raged through the streets.

1620 realtions with Mameluks and Ottomans were brought to +200 again.

1620 and 1621 gave us first a small then a great exceptional years. The first were used to remove inflation (and +100 gold). The second was reinvested (+1 Taxvalue for 3 provinces).
Somalia became Shiite.

October 1612 Samarkand declined loosing its center of trade. Or Center of trade expanded to 150% in trading.

1622 saw a noble feud resulting in a large scale rebellion in Sivas.

1623 saw a reformation of the army and a rebblion in Sindh that killed our troops there. The Janissaries overtook control of Istanbul.

Unfortunally I played 4 days to much (too fast).

Our situation:
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Victory points: 2504 (1st)
Infaltion: 0% (1st)
Income: 105,96 (3rd)
Trade: 50.0 (12th)
Infra: 41.0 (16th)
Land Tech: 18
Naval Tech: 11
Gold: 619
Colonies: 1 (Bushman)
Vassal: 2 (Imerti, Kiva)
Alliance: 4 (Ottomans, Mamluks, Kiva, Uzbeks)
Marriage: 3 (Mamleuks, Uzbeks, Kiva, Yemen)
Access: 9
Casus Belli: 27
Trade Embargos (passive) 1 (Portugal)
Monopolies 1 (Isfahan)

270108121524_Political.jpg

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I would recommend annex the ottomans, they dont convert. I gave them a chance, but they are too weak.
 
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Nicely going, Dark Scipio. :) Good to see two new Sunni nations converted to Shiite. It seems that you made good use of our leaders against the massive army from Aden. How did they manage to get over to the Horn of Africa? If they didn't take they long way around Egypt, they must have an insanely huge navy. If so, maybe Aden should be added to our "Nations to be annexed" list. :cool:

The random events you got were a good mix. I can't understand why we get so many of those Exceptional Year events. Not that I want to complain about that, though.

Abbas' reign is coming to an end now, only 5 years left. So there's some important decisions we have to make. First, should we annex OE? It will add 8BB, but as OE doesn't seem to do any more converting, it is perhaps worth it? Secondly, should we attack Portugal while we still have those leaders? We will get good monarchs and some good leaders later in the game, of course, so we will get more opportunities if we choose to stay idle for now.

I will start round 7 and play my turn either later today or tomorrow.
 

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I had to fight my way through it, we lost 2 warships sadly (I replaced it and added 3 transports, because I think we need them badly to protect our
colonies).

I think we should annex the Ottomans, as they are useless for conversion (even more with the Jannissaries-rebells controlling their capital).

For Portugal: We have 5 years left, before we slightly decline but they we get more powerful because of their better tech group (although we have much more income). So Perhaps this is the right time to strike (for that I build forts in Niassa and Table) and placed some troops near the border and slightly build mor troops.
But you have to see, all portugese provinces are already catholic, so we get a 30% penealty and do not even tolerate them (and we have to convert the new ottoman prov). So perhaps its not worth it (and we get more BB from any of that province, while we should be at 24 after annexing the Ottomans).

So perhaps we should leave the europeans alone right now and concentrate on Mamaluks/Ottomans/Arabian minors.
We should build a refinery in Table.
 

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Good turn Scipio. I'm not sure one way or the other about the Portugal-Ottoman question, other than for now it should be one or the other, not both. Who are Portugal's allies, by the way? If its Spain, Austria and France or something like that, that's a deal breaker right there.

Anyway, Abbas dies in 1629, so its going to come down to your turn, Olav. If you don't attack the Portuguese by then, I'm certainly not going to afterward. I'll probably try to remain at peace, focusing on bringing BB down, building the economy and dealing with whatever events happen post-Abbas.

Another thought - if we do go after Portugal or the Ottomans, we'll want to secure that well before 1629, so that we can attempt at least one chance to convert each of the wrong religion provinces we'll get with the decent administrative monarch. This especially holds true if you want to diplo-annex the Ottos, as we could actually stand a decent chance with the Turkish culture provinces.
 

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I dont know it, but they fought their last war against Tunesia and their allies allone.
 

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Not a bad sign then. If they are alone, then maybe this could be the time to pounce. Its a tough call. Well, its up to Olav, since we're in the last years of Abbas.

If we try to go for those provinces, remember to adjust our tolerance sliders. As it is we don't tolerate Catholics, but we tolerate Orthodox halfway. If we move that halfway to Catholicism temporarily, at least we'll minimize the chances of open rebellions while we're waiting for successful conversions there. If Imereti hates us as a result, tough crap for them.

By the way, Olav, I probably won't be able to play and update for a week after Tuesday night (GMT-5), depending on what happens with the American Presidential primaries between Florida and what may happen in New York. Fortunately it looks like the timing may work out with my being able to go 2nd as usual before then and Round 8 not coming until afterward. Just reminding you though, in case it doesn't work out and I have to skip Round 7...
 
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Ok, I downloaded the savefile and took a quick look at the situation. Portugal is allied to Spain, so it's pretty much decided that we wait with taking Al Kharam. In other words, I will try to annex the Ottomans. If that is succesful, I will spend a fair share of our money on converting. I might mint some too, so we're sure we get all necessary convertions underway. I'm a bit sad letting Al Kharam go, though - it has a Weapons manufactory. :(

I will play my turn tomorrow, so there's still time to give some more thoughts if you got that.

Brian: Ok - I will put you up as #2 in the roster.
 

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Inflation shouls always be at 2-3% so we dont waste any deflation/bank events, so you can mint a good share.
 

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We should annex the Ottomans, I think. Culture provinces, fairly rich provinces to boot, and a CoT. If we take Portugal's provinces, we get maybe two non-culture non-tolerated-religion provinces, and a CoT. So, yeah. Besides, if we take Constantinople, we'll never need to hold it - we can just sit ships in the Hellespont and ignore Austria.
 

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Constantinople really is a better pickup than Al Kharam, and probably easier to convert too. It will be expensive though, but yeah we shouldn't worry too much about minting as long as we're under 2%. We're getting enough monthly income by now that occasional minting is worth it.
 

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Brian Roastbeef said:
Constantinople really is a better pickup than Al Kharam, and probably easier to convert too. It will be expensive though, but yeah we shouldn't worry too much about minting as long as we're under 2%. We're getting enough monthly income by now that occasional minting is worth it.

Exactly. We have enough to do to convert these heretics.
 

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Safavid Empire, 1524-1529

Abbas' greatest diplomatic feat

It was clear that the Ottomans suffered greatly after the vassalization by the Safavid Empire. Rebellions ravaged their provinces, even their capital. The Sultan, apparently paralysed by the turmoil, didn't manage to send an army big enough to relieve Constantinople. Abbas was watching the situation closely. Even if the Shah was getting old, his diplomatic skills were still top-notch. Abbas offered the Sultan vast riches for taking control of the Janissaries and the Ottoman provinces. The Sultan, knowing that he never could take Constantinople back, agreed to the offer. On February 4th 1624, the annexation of the Ottoman Empire was formally accomplished.

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The Smyrna Fleet was blocking the port in Thrace, so taking the city from the rebels would go faster. Three quartes of the army in Rhodes were disbanded, due to high upkeep costs.

Abbas, knowing that the Ottoman Empire hadn't done much to convert Sunnis to the true faith, had been saving and minting money for some months, so he could start conversions. Antalya, Taurus, Konya and Kastamonu all received Shiite missionaries. Rhodes, however, was already Shiite. This surprised Abbas - maybe the Ottomans were trying their best to convert their provinces? Anyway, not all provinces were suitable for conversion. Abbas reckoned that the Syrian population in Aleppo would strongly resist Shiite attempts at religious persuasions.

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When Constaninople was liberated, conversions were started there too, at a cost of 600 ducats. With the conversions underway, Abbas stopped minting and ordered investments into Trade technologies.

The next years were used for economical and colonial expansion. More legal counsels were upgraded, and the trade centers in and around the Safavid Empire received their share of Safavid merchants. In Southern and Eastern Africa, trade posts and new colonies were built.

To strenghten his alliance, Abbas bribed Imereti to join it. Imereti would provice a nice buffer against the Russians.

Even if Abbas was a legendary Shah, he had some problems with the nobles. First of all, he showed mercy towards a treacherous noble, and secondly a noble was assassinated (-2 stability total, -1 centralizaton). The bad news were outweighed by the fact that all(!) conversions were successful in Asia Minor.

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BB: 20.9/50
Inflation: 1.2%
Allies: Khiva, Imereti, Uzbek and Mamluks
Vassals: Imereti and Khiva
CBs: Portugal + Sunnis

The save: http://www.savefile.com/files/1345704
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Alright! The annexation was successful at first attempt. I didn't expect that. The chance for a successful conversion in Aleppo was around 24%, and the cost was very high, so I skipped that province. The chance in Thrace was 45%, while the other were around 65%.

I tried to secure our monopoly in Isfahan as best as possible; there's not many merchants from other nations left there now. We also have a monopoly in Rujifi. I didn't send any merchants to Thrace, though.

I tried to take as many provinces in Africa as possible. We should try to get them to cities and build forts in them, so the Portugese can't take them so easily. The colony in Bushman is at level 5 or 6, so we should expand that one first.

We're currently investing in stability. When we're back at +3, we have many options, but I would recommend Trade 5, as we're not far away from it.

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Great luck on the conversions! Including a difficult freebie in Rhodes. The Ottomans must have gotten an event, because we know all of their attempts were in Aleppo. It really justifies going the annexation route.

All of our borders look secure for the future. We have buffer states against Russia on both fronts with Imereti and Khiva, and the Chagatais (though we could take them any way) with Uzbek, so I don't see any need for non-colonial expansion anytime soon. With the Austrians in Salonica just over the border from us, we'll want to let that BB cool anyway. Someday we might want to talk to our Mameluk friends about that ugly brown blotch interrupting that otherwise attractive looking Anatolian coast, but that will be another time.

Nice to see that Sweden has taken an interest in expanding their influence on the Black Sea. Good looking Abkhazia too. This has been the first game in which I've seen them have more than one province.

I should be able to play tonight. You have to fix your link though. Right now your save file is just a map of the region.
 

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Yeah, we were lucky indeed on the conversions - I hope that won't "even" out with a failed conversion in Thrace. It would be expensive to try again there. If it would happen to fail, maybe it is better to wait for a lucky random conversion? The fact that Rhodes is already Shiite was a nice bonus. It also got a Naval manufactory, making it extra juicy.

If we're lucky that brown spot will rebel and defect to us. If not, maybe we should take it in a war. A just cause for war, would I say. ;)

Thanks for the notice! I was in a hurry when I wrote the report, so things got a bit messed up :D. It should be fixed now, though.
 

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Okay, I have the file now.

That's a good question if the conversion in Thrace fails. It would be nice to get Constantinople converted with it being a CoT province and all, even if it is expensive. I just don't know if it would be too hard unless we have another guy with a decent administrative rating, even with Turkish culture. Oh well, I'll just play it as it comes...
 

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I'm gonna bow out the next few rounds. School's starting up again, and there's a deluge of assignments in the early weeks (due to last-year.. irregularities in Australia). I'll post if I'm able to join back in again.

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That's a shame, Lordling. You can't half-ass your assignments for the sake of pissing around with us on EU2, though. Make sure to read our updates whenever you want to take a break and relax for a few minutes, and do try to make it back when things ease off a bit.

I'm going to play my turn in a few minutes, and will hopefully have the update posted this afternoon.
 

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Okay, well as promised not a whole lot went on during my turn. For today, though, I'm quite pleased with that as it gives me an excuse not to get too fancy with my update.

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Right on startup I got this historical event. Pretty much what it did was move the CoT to Mascate. I don't know if we're going to get some crap from the English later for that, but whatever. I just went with the option I assumed I was supposed to take.

When I went for the 1629 DP slider change, I found that we got knocked off track at some point. The slider was locked out until November. For the sake of keeping good stability for census taxes, I let it cycle around until January 1, 1630, at which time I returned us to maximum centralization. Just be careful as we the next DP change will be January 1, 1640. The reminder event isn't going to help much from here on out. Maybe Dell or somebody should play an 11 year turn, that way each player afterward (if we continue doing 10 yr turns) knows that the DP must happen first thing up, and won't forget?

Early on a radical thinker started some crap, something about gravity I think, so I decided we should throw his ass in jail. The philosopher complained about how narrowminded we were being, but when we explained to him how his imprisonment would help us colonize, he was okay with it. In fact everybody was okay with it and our stability went up. So, he's still in prison, happily explaining to the guards what would happen if a camel fell out of a tree onto their heads.

This brought us up to 2.3 colonists/yr for a while which really sped things along. Later on in the turn some smart-talking painter came along. I tried to explain how he'd be hurting our colonization, but he didn't give two craps. He painted a big mural of a camel falling out of a tree and made us more innovative. That annoyed people in the cities so much that they eventually demanded their "old rights" again. We still don't know what the hell that means, so they got 'em. Assholes.

Toward the end of the turn was a "Political Fragmentation" historical event. Apparently nine years after the fact, people started realizing Abbas Shah was stone ass dead. Yeah, it took a while, but attempts to educate the populace aren't slated to occur until Victoria. Anyway the event knocked us with a big stability hit that we're still fighting off, but gained us back that centralization we lost to the jerks in the cities. Unfortunately we also got more innovative in because of this as well, so now we're down to 1.5 colonists/yr.

Only two things I really did during the turn was build boats and colonize. The Mediterranean navy is significantly stronger. Mostly galleys still, but there are 4 new warships too.

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Colonization went very well. We had a conquistador in the east trying to discover Baluchistan. I told him he was a century or so too late and ferried him over to Africa to help build some colonies. Later on another conquistador arrived in the small frontier city of Constantinople. He was dragged to Africa too, and is still hanging around down there.

Both of those guys really made the job easy so I aimed for some more cheap land grabbing. Our success percentages are a little smaller as a result, but I think I only had like one failure anyway, working with the conquistadors.

I completed the city in Bushman, gave it a wall, tax collector, and chief judge. I also recently finished a city in Natal. There were 10,000 natives in there that got assimilated, so it could be pretty useful. It still needs a tax collector and chief judge though.

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In Europe, everybody is all pissed off at Austria for being huge. Their BB is over 30 and they're getting wars and rebellions like crazy. No outright civil war though. The good news is that they've begun losing a war in the Greek islands. The bad news is that they're losing to the one set of bastards that we want near us even less than Austria. Spain is, unsurprisingly huge. Sweden is pretty big too, but they're blue like us and mostly in the north so that's okay.

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Nothing really new up here, except a recently opened center of trade in Gujarat. We may want to see if we can get in on that wealth, since it isn't owned by the jerk Portuguese.

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The conversion in Thrace failed, naturally. I decided I wasn't going to spend 622 ducats on a 21% chance to get it right the next time. Aleppo is still all heathen too, but nobody pays any attention to them. The Mamluks are trying, and do have Cyprus converted. Khiva and Uzbek are coming along well too.

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BB: 19.3(/46?)
Inflation: 1.4%
Allies: Imereti, Khiva, Yemen, Mamluks
Vassals: Same as last time. Stupid Yemen refused.
CBs: The usual heathens and stinking Portugal

Roster: Round 7
1. Olav (done)
2. Brian Roastbeef (done)
(3. Lordling - unable to play the next few rounds)
3. Dell19 - Up.
4. Dark Scipio - On deck.
5. Anybody else?

Save file: http://www.savefile.com/files/1348478