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Great job on the war, both of you guys. Good timing on starting it and outsieging them, Dell. Good finish and peace Lordling, well-written update too. :D

Lucky break on those conversions, even if you did start them first. There was no guarantee they would have succeeded on their own. Lucky break with Iraqi conversions, too. I'm guessing they converted one and got an event on the other. AI countries only convert one at a time.

We really need to ease relations with that Austria. If we're in luck, they'll get over their badboy for messing in the Balkans and have trouble. I think we should consider investing naval and build some warships in the Black Sea, to defend in case they ever do come against us.

No problem that you didn't get Smyrna. I wanted it because its a wine province, and from my experience, losing it tends to cripple the Ottomans. Losing Macedonia to the Austrians will have the same effect though. I'd rather no Smyrna than Smyrna with 6 other less useful provinces and 12 unneeded BB.

I'm glad to see you've maintained the monopoly. It doesn't yield too much but it does help with our merchants and trade efficiency.

Couple of questions:

Lordling, what is our BB, about 15-ish? What did you guys do for DP sliders; have we continued our movement toward Naval? Where do our techs stand? What are we investing in and when is it due?
 

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I took a move towards Free Trade, rather than Naval - each step of Free Trade is as useful as a step towards Naval, but it also gives us more merchants, and doesn't detract from our land power. With the European powers probably going to be a CRT ahead of us all game, it's important that we maintain good morale.

Also, I think Iraq's first conversion might've finished as I started up. They probably started a second one right after it. They only take 80 months or so, and I played for 10 years.

I'm investing in Infra - we should hit Infra 4 around 1583, which will give us a lot more income. I think we should keep on Infra investments until maybe Infra 5, as that'll give us the income to compete with the latin tech powers - our trade income isn't going to be that high until we manage to net a few more CoTs.

The Ottomans are effectively crippled. Only five of their ten or so provinces have contigous land connections with their capital, and they've lost their only conscription centre. Their only real value now lies in providing a barrier between us and Europe. As such, if they ever choose to DoW us, we should snap up every province we can get in a defensive war, but otherwise, we might want to force-convert them, because if they convert their Turkish provinces to Shi'ism, and if we could, conceivably diplo-annex them, that's a lot of state culture provinces with decent incomes right there.

We've also got Sindh diplo-vassalized, and, by the end of the next player's turn, we should be able to annex them. They're all Shi'ite, so there's a fair few useful provinces there.

We might want to focus on our navy, once we hit IT 4, possibly. If we're going to take on Portugal, we'll need decent NT.
 

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I tend to prefer free trade as well if I want colonists. A decent peace treaty as all three provinces are useful.

I'm not sure about going to war with Portugal as it is pretty difficult to get a trade centre in a peace treaty even when you have a land connection to most of their provinces.
 

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Yeah, that was a very successful war indeed. It's always nice to see the Ottomans crippled. However I don't like the sight of Austria now. On the other hand, even if Austria is always mighty on land, they never build any large fleets in my experience. We could try building a Mediterranean fleet, so we can block the Austrians out of Asia Minor at the straits next to Thrace. Hopefully, they have much BB now, so they will have a hard time getting (new) allies who are more naval focused. Edit: I just realized that Anatolia doesn't have a port. Doh. I don't think it's worth sending our current fleet around Africa, as we will lose dozens of ships due to attrition.

We got four new provinces in our last round - how big is the stability cost now? Maybe it is time to build a FFA in Isfahan?

I would perhaps wait a little bit longer with annexing Sindh. We got 6BB in the last round, so we're around 15-17BB now? Sindh is quite big, so we will probably go over 20BB if we annex them. If we get over half of the BB threshold, our stability costs will double, and we don't want that.

As for the trade center in Al Kharam, I think it's worth to give it a shot capturing it. When I played as SE some months ago, Portugal gave me both Al Kharam and Mascate in a peace deal, even if I had less warscore than "required". We should of course wait a little so our BB cools down first, though.

Nice to have you along, Herbert West. Too bad that you lost your EUII disc, though. :(

As mentioned earlier, I'll wait a little bit longer before I start the next round, so Dark Scipio might gets his turn in this round.
 

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Yeah, I don't think the reward of annexing Sindh is worth the cost in BB right now. If we're comfortable adding a couple of BB points, I'd rather it be the 3 BB that come with DoWing Ottomans or Crimea again to take Smyrna for a Mediterranean port. Otherwise, we have to let it cool a bit.
 

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Alright, it seems that no other players step up, so we'll start round 6 now.

Status 1579 - Round 6

BB: 16.3/49
Inflation: 1.6%
Allies: Khiva, Yemen, Mamluks and Sindh
Vassals: Imereti, Khiva and Sindh
Techs: LT 14, NT 3, Trade 3, Infra 3
CBs: On all Sunnis and Portugal (Embargo)

Here's our DP settings:

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We still lose 0.50 settlers each year, but it won't take long before we'll get those DP sliders "correct" so we can start send those settlers out.

In the next turn I guess I will take it easy, so the BB cools down. If we get a DoW against us, I will of course try to get some wealthy provinces.

Since we're just 4 players at the moment, you could take 15 year turns if you want. It seems that we're all playing 10 year turns now, so I don't mind increasing the limit a bit.

Roster - Round 6

1. Olav (Up)
2. Brian (On Deck)
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6. Open

I will play now, I guess, so expect the report in a couple of hours.
 

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Safavid Empire, 1579-1589

Taking it easy

The first notable thing that happened was a DoW from Russia against Kazakh Horde, which was allied to the Ottomans. Meanwhile the Mughals converted to Hinduism! Our Shah, Muhammad Khudabanda, did not approve of that, but no war was declared. The Shiite Uzbeks, however, must apparently have thought this was a good idea, as they entered an alliance with the Mughals. Ach.

A little while after the Russian DoW, another war ended. Venice gave Azow and Crimea to Poland. Venice was further humiliated a year later, when they were annexed diplomatically by Austria. Allah be praised that we don't reside in Europe now. Austria is huge! The war between the Ottomans and the Russians ended after a while too, where the Russians payed a token sum for peace.

In 1581 our alliance expired. All the former members were invited, and all accepted except the Mamluks. I wanted to leave them alone, but remembering Lordling's arguments for keeping them ("...And when you get right down to it, clambering over piles of Mamluk corpses takes time. It's win-win!") I decided to send them a gift, softening them up a bit so they decided to join us again. We got a Corruption event - I went for Ignore, since we had below 2% inflation. With this game's trends, we will get a new Exceptional Year event shortly.

And believe it or not, in 1583 we got such an event, and just like that our inflation is at 0.6%. We also got 200 ducats from it, which came in handy for upgrading Legal Counsels when we got Infra 4 the same year. To even things out, we got a bad event:

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The other option was -500 Ducats​


During the turn we got three new Shahs, where two of them were subpar:

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Hamza Mirza must have made some impression on the Sunni inhabitants in Lut, as they happily agreed to convert to the true faith in 1585.

Abu Talib didn't want to be viewed as a less skilled Shah than Mirza, so he single-handedly managed to develop a new technology. He called it Trade 4. The same year (1586) an uncooperative philosopher was imprisoned. I thought this was the best move, as we will get more settlers (now at -0.1 yearly) and stability will get a bit cheaper.

The next year we got a Foreign Trade Competition Rises, where I went for +1 Free Trade and -500 Trade investment. We now get one settler every tenth year! Hell yeah!

As mentioned earlier, there were three Shahs in this turn. The last one succeeded Abu in 1587, and his name was Abbas:

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In addition to being a skilled Shah, he is also an very able asskicker. Lets hope we could put him to use soon in a war. Abbas' reign started a bit poor though, as some cities demanded old rights. Abbas caved in (-1 centralization).

On January the first, 1589, we got a new leader, Farhad Khan (4,3,5,0). He joined up with Abbas' army in Iraq.

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Ile de France reovlted from England to... France :(

BB: 14.7/48
Inflation: 0.6%
Allies: Khiva, Yemen, Mamluks and Sindh
Vassals: Imereti, Khiva and Sindh
CBs: No changes here

Edit: Forgot to include the status bar in the last pic:
We have 311 ducats and are at +3 stability

The save: http://www.savefile.com/files/1332070

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We needed a bit of peace, and we got that now. The BB was reducing very slowly before Abbas started reigning. When he got to power, it was reduced by ~0.3 in a year. Abbas also made trading go easier. During the whole turn, I traded a lot in Rufiji and Samarkand. Khiva and the Mughals was extremely irritating in Samarkand, as they ended our monopoly there all the time. Things got much better when Abbas arrived. I started expanding our trade in Aden when monopolies in Samarkand and Rufiji were secured.

We also got two nice techs this turn, Trade and Infra level 4. I started promoting Legal Counsels in all of our provinces except Socotra + the provinces east of Tabaristan and Isfahan. We're currently researching NT.

Roster - Round 6
1. Olav (Done)
2. Brian (Up)
3. Dell/Lordling (Depends where we are when the weekend starts)
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I've downloaded the save and have actually played my turn tonight, but I probably won't be able to write the update until tomorrow. Sorry...

I will update briefly about Austria tonight, though. I checked their BB during my turn - its over 30 (out of like 44 maybe), but they've yet to have any trouble from it. Austria is a little bigger now in fact and the Ottomans are weaker. They took Hellas off of Naples, who took it off of the Ottomans, so except for Constantinople, they're all shored up on the Balkan peninsula. Kind of scary... Their LT is at least 20, IIRC. Well, at least we know we'll have a mid-late game challenge on the Western front...
 

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Lordling said:
I cannot imagine facing that Austria. We'd be steamrolled. Seeing as it's taken Crete, I assume it now has a more-than-competent navy?

I don't know. Its scary. They got a lot of good naval provinces, including Crete, when they diplo-annexed Venice. I've never seen an Austria with a great navy, but I've never seen an Austria in quite this favorable of a naval position either....
 

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In a recent game as Byzantium, Austria had a better navy. Mine was pants though.

I agree that I think we would face major problems fighting Austria. There isn't really a huge reason for Austria to declare war on us unless we get an extremely high BB as we don't have their cores so any wars should be a rare event and we may be able to get out of them cheaply.
 

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Hey, I've got a few things going on, so these might be coming a little slower from me than they have in the past. The American Presidential primaries are coming to New York state, and I may be getting involved if Gov. Romney brings his campaign here. If so, I may even have to skip or move down the line for Round 7; I'll let you know if that's the case. Anyway, I'll try to get the 1599 briefing and save file up for Lordling or Dell within 18 hours or so, to keep things within the times allotted by the rules as much as possible. Until then, here's an study of late 16th century Ottoman history that I was able to dig up with a little work. Enjoy. :cool:


The Fall of the Ottoman Empire
The Second Partition: 1589-1597


In 1589, the Ottoman Empire had been severely weakened. Once the dominant force of the Anatolian peninsula, recent wars had lost the Turkish Empire the wealth of Macedonia and Anatolia and divided their remaining lands into little more than a loose conglomeration of harbors and fortresses. Lines of communication and supply were difficult to maintain. Sitting among a strong Safavid Empire to their east, a massive Austria to the west, and a rapidly expanding Russia in the north, enemies threatened every border.

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By 1590, the Ottoman nightmare had come true yet again as the Shah Abbas of the Safavid Empire, announcing "as we have purged heresy from the East, so shall we do in the West," amassed troops in Anatolia, preparing an invasion of the center of the vast Ottoman state. While history has judged this as a holy war, one of many undertaken by the Safavid state during the sixteenth century, the political aims behind the Shah's actions and timing cannot be ignored. Since the Safavid takeover, the young Shiite state spent much of its history in the shadow of their powerful Ottoman neighbors. Even after much of the sixteenth century brought growth and expansion in the east, the leaders of the Safavid state still took care to tread lightly to the west, as the wealth and technological superiority of their Ottoman neighbors kept them continually off balance. This dynamic was overthrown with the peace of 1571, which saw the Safavids, victorious over an Ottoman State undermanned and overpowered in a two-front war, solidify their gains with the addition of wealthy Turkish lands.

Despite the gains of 1571, Shah Abbas was not content, as their gains in Anatolia did not include a Mediterranean port. When faced with a merchants guild complaining yet again, over the Portuguese refusal to allow their trade in Al Kharam, Abbas blamed not the Portuguese, but the Ottoman situation, arguing that the Christian powers of Europe do not show proper respect to the glory of Persia because of his inability to build a Mediterranean fleet. Furthermore, Abbas feared increased Austrian involvement in the fall of the Turkish state. One of many monarchs unsettled in the Era of Austrian Expansion, Abbas worried of an Austrian landing at Izmir, and a possible direct border with the overgrown empire on a weakened front.

Therefore, citing the necessity to stamp out the Sunni heresy in the West as a proper Casus Belli, Abbas declared war on the Ottoman Empire in the early days of 1590. By the way, at this time the Safavid Empire was ironically leading an alliance dedicated to the protection of the backward Mameluk state that was itself among the dwindling number of remaining Sunni states. Unsurprisingly, Abbas chose not to include his allies on this crusade.

The war began with a coordinated assault on Smyrna, Kastamonu, and Trebizond. Upon the announcement of open hostilities among the two empires a small Safavid force of just over 1,000 men, unknown to the Shah still stationed in the Ottoman province of Daghestan, found themselves surrounded my an Ottoman army five to six times their size. Unprepared and underpowered, the Safavid force nevertheless held together to defeat the Ottoman home guard. This first battle would foreshadow the fates of the Safavids and Ottomans in this bitter war.

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Though the Ottoman army was at this time technologically on par, if not slightly superior to the Safavid force, the increased morale of the Persian religious crusaders consistently carried the day in battle. The Ottomans, knowing that they would need to outmaneuver the Safavid army to have any hope of victory undertook the first opportunity to move their troops into Anatolia, which was left unoccupied by the invading Persian forces. Abbas was unconcerned with this as leading the men himself, he assaulted and broke the mountain fortress at Konya. Meanwhile, a similar siege brought the fall of the minimal fortress at Trabzon and sieges in Kastamonu and Smyrna continued.

While the bulk of the Ottoman force sat outside the gates of Ankara, the Safavid armies continued moving among their remaining territories. Many of the cities, minimally protected, were quickly overrun at once, while others were sieged and occupied. Furthermore, the Ottomans, understanding their Safavid enemies to have no naval power available in the war effort, left Constantinople undefended as they brought the remainder of their army into Anatolia. This misjudgment proved to be the final fatal flaw of Ottoman strategy as the Ottoman naval blockade was not maintained and Abbas siezed the first opportunity to move troops across the strait and begin sieging the glorious old city that was the capital of the Ottoman Empire.

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In 1591, the Ottoman nightmare continued as Naples declared war, bringing with them Poland. Shortly after Tsar Fyodor, sensing blood in the water, declared war with the intent of reclaiming rightful Russian lands along the Volga. The Ottoman Empire would quickly cede land to both of these enemies, giving Russia their claim on Ufa and making peace with Naples in exchange for the remaining Ottoman territory in Greece and in the Crimea. Meanwhile the distastrous war against the Safavids continued, as troops lifted the Ottoman occupation of Anatolia, repeatedly defeated their army, driving Ottoman forces into the Armenian mountains, as the siege of Constantinople continued. Shockingly, in 1594 even the small Georgian state of Imereti saw the Ottoman Empire as enough of a target to declare war.

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With the fall of Constantinople in 1594, the Ottoman situation was so dire that an emissary was sent to Shah Abbas offering the secession of all Ottoman lands to the east of Antalya in exchange for peace. The offer was summarily dismissed, as such rapid expansion would completely destroy the already tarnished reputation of the Safavid Empire, without giving Abbas the prize he so zealously desired to begin with - Smyrna. It was at this time that the Shah, made aware that their Ottoman enemy was 99% defeated, sought peace on his terms. The Ottoman government was at this time in exile on the island of Rhodes, the only land on which the Ottoman flag flew sovereign.

The terms of the Peace of 1594 were on the surface quite lenient. The Ottomans would cede only the one valuable province of Smyrna. It was then made clear that as this was, from the beginning, a religious crusade, it was also understood that the Ottoman state would recant all previous heresies, recognize Shah Abbas of Persia as the sole rightful heir to Muhammad and Caliph of Islam and take all necessary efforts to promote and protect this understanding of the faith within its borders. It was then obvious to the Sultan that this peace was far more damaging than was immediately apparent. The unfavorable peace would destroy Ottoman stability, already in a turbulent state following the overwhelming defeat. Furthermore, it would destroy the already fractured Turkish economy and force the Sultan to undertake the expensive and unpopular task of converting the remaining Ottoman lands. The peace was designed to isolate and irreparably cripple the remants of the Ottoman state, gradually bringing closer to being little more than another Safavid satellite.

Nevertheless, Sultan Murad III was aware that he had no choice. On December 13, 1594, he signed the agreement, ceded Smyrna and its harbors, and sent word to his cities in declaration of the new and formal understanding of the faith. One month later he was dead and the incompetent and gluttonous Mehmed III took his place.

Despite peace with the most zealous and damaging of its enemies, the long Ottoman nightmare was not yet over as the new Sultan took control in 1595.
The Ottoman Empire was poor, crippled, fractured, demilitarized, demoralized, and still at war with Imereti. The arrogant Mehmed III, unconcered with this remaining threat dismissed this war, considering his enemy too minor to be considered seriously. Obseqiously hoping to please his Safavid neighbors, he spent the remainder of the treasury toward beginning the conversion of Aleppo, considering the weakened force of four thousand men in the mountains of Armenia enough to frighten Imereti into making peace. His mistake in this regard certainly rivaled the worst misjudgments of his father.

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The forces of Imereti, outnumbering the Ottomans in the region eight to one, split and sieged Daghestan and Trebizond late in 1595. In 1596, with both of these provinces occupied, Georgian forces drove into the Armenian mountains, overwhelmed the Ottoman army and overran the battle weakened fortress around Tblisi. They then siezed advantage of the Ottoman inability to respond by marching their army across the Halys into Kastamonu, rapidly sieging and occupying the city.

The Ottomans, barely able to maintain control of their unoccupied lands, had no choice but to capitulate to the demands of the treaty of Baku and cede all "Orthodox or rightfully orthodox Caucasian provinces and their cities." Signing the treaty in 1597, the Ottoman Empire was at peace for the first time in seven years. This Second Partition of Poland among Naples, Russia, Safavid Persia, and Imereti (the first being the wars and treaties of 1571) left the Ottoman Empire with half of the provinces it controlled in 1590, a severely weakened economy, and a fledgling but growing rival among the navies in the Eastern Mediterranean. The incompetent new Sultan was able to do little to combat the terrible instability among the remaining pieces of the once glorious Turkish Empire. It was at this time that Mehmed III felt certain that Ottoman Turkey, the conqueror of Rome, was moving toward its final decades.

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Whoa. There's one heck of an Austria/Persia divide right there. If we diploannex the Ottomans, we'd be right up against them. (And, of course, we want to diploannex them, after they convert their provinces.)

Now that looks like a challenge.
 

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Great update there! Nice to read from the Turks viewpoint too. :)

I did expect you to take Smyrna, as you mentioned that as an important province earlier in the thread. Converting the Ottomans in addition was a great bonus. Lets hope they could amass enough money to convert those Sunni provinces. Aleppo is a good start.

It was also fun to see how Imereti managed to get a very favourable peacedeal. Maybe we should send them some gifts to soften them up a bit? They became suddenly a much more valuable vassal to take care of. However, they look like the White Sheep now, don't know if I like that. :) (Or maybe Austria is some kind of reincarnation of Ak Koyunlu, seeking revenge on us for that stab in the back so many years ago ;))

What should we do with the Ottomans now? Should we invite them into an alliance and then vassalize, or should we attack them once again and forcevassalize them?
 

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Passing Leadership - 1599

There isn't too much to say about my turn itself that wasn't shown from that history of the Ottoman wars; this is more about where we go from here. The Ottoman war took up the lion's share of my effort during my go. I didn't really have enough money to do much else. During the war, the census taxes were spent on our troops, and occasionally trying to hold our monopolies together. After the war, it was spent on promoting those Chief Judges. We now have those in about 10 new provinces, including Smyrna and Socotra. There are about six or seven provinces left that need them, from somewhere around the Khorasan-Herat region east.

After the war I also slowly started building the first traces of our Mediterranean fleet in Smyrna. There isn't much at the moment, just seven galleys. Smyrna is still Sunni so we can currently build only one at a time. Nevertheless, the next players should try and keep a galley building if they can remember. After we can get the province converted, hopefully we can do things a little more efficiently, and add a few warships into the mix.

I continued researching naval tech, when I wasn't on stability. We've picked up a couple of those and a land tech as well.

As far as events, there were only a couple that I remember. I think there was a gift to the state early on. Toward the end of my turn we got another Exceptional Year. Inflation is now entirely eliminated. To counter that nice break, the stupid cities demanded their "old rights" again, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. Assholes. We'll be able to get our centralization back though, I'll explain that in a little bit.

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The war itself can't be explained much more than it already was. They had a couple of tech levels on us, but we were in the same CRT and our Shiite morale bonus carried the day in battle and helped us assault some of the fortresses.

Olav said:
What should we do with the Ottomans now? Should we invite them into an alliance and then vassalize, or should we attack them once again and forcevassalize them?

When I made peace in 1594, I was hoping to make it possible to ally and diplovassalize them down the road if we chose to do so. My hope was that by bringing them down to just ten provinces and force converting them, they would be damaged to the point that somebody else, maybe Russia or the Mameluks, might grab another piece or two of them and weaken them so much that they'll accept vassalization down the road. It was absolutely amazing to see Imereti grab three pieces and create a situation I could only hope for.

As it is the option is open both ways, with their pros and cons. If we attack and force vassalize, it will be another war, and another badboy point or three if we want Kastamonu. With mega-Austria just across the street from us we actually need to be more careful about entering into wars than ever. We won't have our Shiite morale edge over them in the next war, but I think they're severely crippled to the point that it won't matter.

If we try to diplovassalize, it will first take money, as they still hate us. Fortunately we have a capeable diplomatic monarch that can help us there. The biggest problem I foresee if we want to go this route is that we'll need to have them in our alliance, which could draw us into the possibility of war with Austria.

Our alliance should expire in 1605, so the next player has some time to get them friendly if he wishes to try that. Meanwhile the Mameluks don't much like us anymore, so it may be time for a diplomatic realignment.

Imereti's run just amazed me. I was watching the war, afraid that they'd give up for a little money, and hoping maybe they'd get at least one province off of the Ottomans. I never expected them to get three of the four that they occupied. They have actually created a perfect situation for us at the moment. They hate us, but are vassals. Meanwhile, they are Orthodox, and so should be somewhat friendly with Russia. They are, at the moment a perfect buffer state on our northern border. They even took some wrong culture Orthodox provinces off of the Ottomans that we wouldn't much want if we ever diplo-annex them.

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As far as religion, the Ottomans have started going at it with the conversions, while Khiva continues their long process. I have yet to attempt at Smyrna, though we have a tax collector and chief judge in there. Chances are pretty good though with Abbas as Shah, so hopefully we'll get them straight before long.

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We now get one colonist about every 40 months (0.3 year). This is where I wanted to discuss Centralization and our DP sliders a bit. When I loaded the 1599 save recently to make sure everything worked well before packing it up and posting it, I noticed that the first thing to pop up was the event giving us the option to move to Isfahan. Which way we go on that is up to Lordling or Dell, but if the capital is moved, its a +2 Centralization bonus, which will max us out on that again.

Anyway, remember that in case the event waits until after February 1 to come along. If you think you'll want to move, there will be no need to move the slider toward Centralization, because of the effects of the event, so we can take another run toward something that brings colonists. NT 11 isn't that far down the road either. We should get there in a couple of turns if we keep investing naval.

LT 15 - pretty close to 16
NT 6
Trade 4
Infra 4

BB 15.4/49
Inflation 0.0% :cool:
Vassals: Khiva, Sindh, and that kickass Imereti
Alliance: Khiva, Sindh, Yemen and the Mamluks that hate us but can go piss off since we're not afraid of the Ottomans anymore.
CBs: Sunnis, Portugal


Roster, Round 6:

1. 1579-1588 Olav (done)
2. 1589-1598 Brian Roastbeef (done)
3. 1599- Dell/Lordling
4. Dell/Lordling
5. Dark Scipio? Anybody?

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Olav said:
Great update there! Nice to read from the Turks viewpoint too. :)

I did expect you to take Smyrna, as you mentioned that as an important province earlier in the thread. Converting the Ottomans in addition was a great bonus. Lets hope they could amass enough money to convert those Sunni provinces. Aleppo is a good start.

It was also fun to see how Imereti managed to get a very favourable peacedeal. Maybe we should send them some gifts to soften them up a bit? They became suddenly a much more valuable vassal to take care of. However, they look like the White Sheep now, don't know if I like that. :) (Or maybe Austria is some kind of reincarnation of Ak Koyunlu, seeking revenge on us for that stab in the back so many years ago ;))

By the way, thanks for the feedback. I wanted to try something a little different and I'm glad you liked that. It isn't too often in history-book AARs that you see a description of a country just plain getting its butt kicked, since most AARs work from the view of the player country as it works toward greater glory.

I couldn't help seeing it as similar to the partitions of Poland in the 18th century. Prussia, Russia, and Austria saw an underpowered country with land ripe for the picking and divided it among themselves. It seems that's how things have turned out between us, Austria, Russia, (and Imereti!) during the Ottoman decline. I also like the analogy because after playing for a few rounds, I know us well enough to be certain that there will be a third "Partition." Its only a question of whether its in the form of a force-vassalization and annex or a diplo-vassalization and annex. Like Lordling said, we're just waiting for them to convert their provinces. I just want to get to Constantinople before Austria.

As for the blue and white theme we seem to have going, well I'm an Indianapolis Colts fan, so I like it. ;) All we need is for France and Sweden to get huge and boost the blue side.
 

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So I finally read through the report. I would be glad to fill in as no.5 of this round.