Yes. You'll get an option to choose one of them to lead the Japanese government within a year or two.
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I have a question. Does Gabriele D'Annunzio play any role in any of the Italys in the game? Or what was his role in the KR lore?
What the hell folks?! There was a nice, authentic Russian story with Wrangel and populism and you changed it for a bad copy of Nazism? You literally copied the story of an old autocratic general president and a head of government that, upon the death of the president, merges two positions and creates Combat Groups and 'work' camps. Also, a full blown Nazi flag.
I don't know who or why thought that it would be a better idea than previous one. What separated Kaiserreich was an authentic new story, not a ripoff of existing one. At least not as dumb as obvious as this one turned out.
Instead of expanding on the existing story, maybe adding a few flavor events or some late game internal policy ones, or simply not touching it and just finishing the events with new faction that needed to be finished - you changed the lore of the game to a very unimaginative copy of German National Socialism.
I would understand the need to do it if many people complained about existing story and you needed to change it. But as far as I know, no one did. And it was fun and authentic experience in a completely different world. I guess that will not be changed back, but can you at least give an explanation for this perversion of Kaiserreich lore?
I don't know who or why thought that it would be a better idea than previous one. What separated Kaiserreich was an authentic new story, not a ripoff of existing one. At least not as dumb as obvious as this one turned out.
Instead of expanding on the existing story, maybe adding a few flavor events or some late game internal policy ones, or simply not touching it and just finishing the events with new faction that needed to be finished - you changed the lore of the game to a very unimaginative copy of German National Socialism.
I would understand the need to do it if many people complained about existing story and you needed to change it. But as far as I know, no one did. And it was fun and authentic experience in a completely different world. I guess that will not be changed back, but can you at least give an explanation for this perversion of Kaiserreich lore?
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How big is the chance to buy in Malta and Tunisia in the game for the Italian Federation?
Describing the previous Wrangel route as 'authentic' is rather inaccurate itself, in that the Wrangel route has always been the least genuine with regards to probability and quality alternate history, a path very much rooted in Alien Space Bats, dating all the way back to the original 'All the Russias' mod, predating Kaiserreich.
Wrangel was in no way or form a 'National Populist' historically, instead the man has generally been portrayed by both his contemporaries and historians as one of the moderate Whites, up there with Kolchak and Denikin. Wrangel's support for an absolutist regime under himself or the Tsar in previous versions ran totally contrary to his beliefs, and pragmatic stance; with Wrangel along with many others in the White Camp believing that absolutism in Russia was dead - and must remain dead if the revolution is to be stopped. Very much a pragmatic moderate counter-revolutionary.
The White Armies were by no means a united monarchist force, but instead a lose coalition of anti-Bolshevik forces; conservatives, reactionaries, moderates on the left, independence movements, and other forces all fighting under this lose and informal banner. Of course there were diehard absolutists and monarchists in the white camp, but most were sidelined (Boldyrev in favour of Kolchak at Omsk, etc), never fully co-operative with the larger movement (Semyonov, Sternberg, etc), and most importantly most of them - as the Tsarist old guard - were long dead by 1936, lacking support outside of the army.
If portraying Wrangel as an absolutist arch-monarchist was not problematic enough on its own, the notion that any sane Russian monarchist would simply crown themselves as Tsar is as ludicrous as the idea of the people supporting such a move. In countries with a long monarchial tradition like Russia; the notion of 'the divine right of kings' was key, not just anyone could take the throne, the monarch was chosen by god; this appointment from god and resulting divine righteousness being the source of the monarch's unquestioned authority.
Really the Savinkov route isn't so different from the Wrangel route from a gameplay point of view, nor even a narrative viewpoint other than Savinkov's initial appointment, and the Savinkov route containing more flavour overall. If anything Wrangel's position as self titled Vozhd plays more on Nazi parrallels than Savinkov's nickname as the Vozhd of the peasants - a result of his popularity amongst the peasantry, rather than creating the title on the assumption of absolute power. Savinkov's position as a populist rallying point here makes sense unlike Wrangel's, Savinkov was a former member of the left wing Socialist Revolutionary Party and the paramount leader of the SR combat organisations in Russia before the Civil War, historically Savinkov sided against the Bolsheviks and organised multiple peasant revolts against the Red Army through the war, historically continuing to speak out against the Soviet Union in exile. Here we have a figure with a solid base of support amongst the Russian peasantry pushing a specifically peasant based populism in contrast to the dominant metropolitan middle class which otherwise dominates Russian politics. While we have Wrangel, who would be even less influential in military cricles than he was historically - never taking command from Denikin, organising the retreat from Crimea, and becoming one of the dominant exile voices until his death.
If one wished to purge the mod of Alien Space Bats entirely Wrangel could be nothing more than a marginal figure, but we do care about the mod's tradition which is why Wrangel is still present, simply in a more realistic setting taking what was formerly Denikin's role (Denikin is still able to come to power if Kornilov does not appoint Saviknov). The Russian paths have gone untouched for many years now and most users have judged the Russian changes a welcome and interesting improvement. It's unfortunate that not everyone will agree - including yourself, it's not as if the option to play the traditional Russian scenario is lost to you; 1.7 is still readily available, be it far back in this thread, or over on the forums for those who wish to play without certain changes made. (Not to mention the player can still crown Wrangel Tsar further down the line if they so wish).
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You mix 'authentic' with 'plausible'. I never said that Wrangel path was plausible (almost no story line in Kaiserreich is) but it was authentic as it gave a unique point of view. Actually, the very implausability gave it authenticity as it was unique, one of a kind. I really see no justification for just copying Hindenburg-Hitler twist and slapping on a Nazi flag where swastika is just replaced with Slavic cross - be it Wrangel, Saviknov or Bugs Bunny.
As for Wrangel himself, he was part of nobility so I see no problem with him becoming a Tsar of some kind (story about 'divine right of a tsar' was that, just a story - people did not buy it, and so did no one else - but in case of people not agreeing with him taking the crown - there was a dissent increase to represent that). He was a skilled commander and by the end of RCW, when he finally got the supreme command, he started reorganization of White Movement, placed forward a coalition government that initiated sweeping reforms, including agrarian ones. So I really see no problem in a skilled officer, royalty (not an ordinary monarchist), who initiated large reforms and a (failed) unification of Russia, to be an autocratic militaristic leader in the world of Kaiserreich. Certainly less problematic than a copy of German National Socialism with Kornilov and Saviknov.
But I asked for an explanation, accepting that this change is here to stay, and I got it - how ever unconvincing it is. So there is nothing more I could ask and I thank your for an explanation as to why the change was made.
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@WdS Very interesting read. Do you know of any plans to more accurately represent Huey Long and the American Civil War in future releases? I always found it very bizarre that the American Union State is represented as "far right" when Huey's ideas were anything but.
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Arguably, the far right in Kaiserreich doesn't represent OTL Fascism, but instead Populism, in opposition to the trade unions. So Huey Long does fit under the Populist definitions Kaiserreich gives us.
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While i think that the new russian setup is an improvement, the exact manner in which Savinkov was handled, such as the swastika-but-not flag & the mirroring of Hitler's rise to power, isn't optimal IMO.
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Convergence is a thing in alternate history, you know. Anyways, there was an open discussion on the Kaiserreich forum as to what way Savinkov would be most likely come to power and it was agreed that mirroring the Hindenburg/Hitler dynamic would be a good idea. In the future I'll suggest you engage yourself in the mod's development and/or actually contribute positively to the project by laying down some code instead of moaning and belittling the work done by those who spend their spare time working on improving Kaiserreich.
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How about Proto-fascism with Gabriele D'Annunzio and Enrico Corradini ? They were members of the Italian Nationalist Association he first proto fascist party, which it was founded in 1910. After all Enrico Corradini in the L'Idea Nazionale was turned into a daily with financing from natural advocates of militarism - military men and weapon manufacturers, before the First World War. Corradini and his paper created a generic nationalist theory after adopting Populism and Corporatism.
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National Populism is essentially what National Socialism would have been in our timeline if people like Gregor Strasser had won out instead of Hitler: a fundamentally anti-capitalist ideology which rejects socialist internationalism in favour of traditionalist nationalism. Literally Third Positionism. Frankly, adjusting for how considerably more unstable the US is in this timeline than it is in ours, I think that's a pretty good fit for someone like Long. It may not comepletely reflect his views in our timeline, but it's a plausible estimate how how he might've acted in this timeline.
@Milites Given the increased importance of Australasia in this update, do you have plans to release a new Australasia skin anytime soon? I'm always happy to see the Entente recieve some extra love.
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I've learned more from these games and discussion than in any classroom. Thanks for the insight.
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@Milites Given the increased importance of Australasia in this update, do you have plans to release a new Australasia skin anytime soon? I'm always happy to see the Entente recieve some extra love.
I did one quite some time ago. Honestly, I've lost track of the skins I've been doing in the past.
However, this is the version I'm currently using myself and it has a simple but rather nifty AST skin, if I may say so myself.
https://www.mediafire.com/?5hadoal9fo9zpn5
I work on mod development myself and I accept criticism before and after a change was made, without using the old 'instead of complaining, do the work' argument. It is like art critic saying to a musician that his music is bad and he replies "Yeah? Well make your own then". Or saying to a programmer that his program is bad and he says "Stop moaning and lay down some code yourself"... oh, wait.
I am so sorry that I dared to say that one aspect of the mod is unimaginative and bad, per my opinion. It seems that only positive criticism is allowed and bad one is responded with "well, you do it better then". The ultimate response in every field of human creativity. It's like arguing with children - I have no time for it. WdS was at least decent enough to explain why the change was made (the only thing I actually asked) and I thanked him for it. It's you who's bitching and not able to accept even mild criticism. I am sure you'll go a long way in your creative future.
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Nothing in your post ever amounted to constructive criticism which is the only truly valuable form of criticism. At best you threw around hyperboles and complained that the new content was unimaginative and borderline copy-cat-ism. Had you dignified yourself to actually provide suggestions as to how Nat. Pop Russia could be improved in its current form instead of just rambling on about how horrible it is, I'd have considered it quite valuable. But rest assured that the development of Savinkov's Russia will continue abreast and any and all suggestions are highly welcome.
As long as they're constructive that is.
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Hey man I see what your saying I really liked the Wrangel path but as I learned more about him I saw that it just didnt fit right but it was as you said unique and I loved it, but I think its true that he would have fit far better in Denikin's place I did think Kornilov was a better "Absolutist" or atleast anti-republican so I feel the new story is also unique in its own right because you dont really get the Proto-Fascist Populist feel with Wrangel or at least I didnt. I think you have a point but I find this as a welcome change and just a natural progression of the Mods development things are gonna change or be adapted that we might not all like but thats what happens to most things.
Also you have a point that yes indeed telling someone that if they dont like something "Go make your own" isnt much of an argument but Milites also made a point of saying this wasnt just decided by one person this was an open debate to see what would change and NP Wrangel lost so it was decided by a fairly large part of the KR community what would fit better and their not wrong the new NP chain is good and fits more with the Far-Rightwing Populism that takes the place of NS.
Also just to add the position of Tsar was an immensely Holy position you might as well be as close to the Russian orthodox version of the Pope when your Tar so it is a god given right or so the Russian people believed they did believe the whole God chose the Tsar thing so Wrangel wouldnt have been even capable of getting close to the crown despite being a noble. He also wouldn't become the Supreme Commander of the White Movement as Kolchak never got captured so he remained as such until his putsch failed so while in the regions he directly controlled Wrangel was able to implement his reforms he did not get much more than those local areas so he would never be as important in KR than he was in OTL
Thanks though it was nice to no that not everyone was completely happy with Wrangel's change I suppose the new path has just quickly grown on me.
Also you have a point that yes indeed telling someone that if they dont like something "Go make your own" isnt much of an argument but Milites also made a point of saying this wasnt just decided by one person this was an open debate to see what would change and NP Wrangel lost so it was decided by a fairly large part of the KR community what would fit better and their not wrong the new NP chain is good and fits more with the Far-Rightwing Populism that takes the place of NS.
Also just to add the position of Tsar was an immensely Holy position you might as well be as close to the Russian orthodox version of the Pope when your Tar so it is a god given right or so the Russian people believed they did believe the whole God chose the Tsar thing so Wrangel wouldnt have been even capable of getting close to the crown despite being a noble. He also wouldn't become the Supreme Commander of the White Movement as Kolchak never got captured so he remained as such until his putsch failed so while in the regions he directly controlled Wrangel was able to implement his reforms he did not get much more than those local areas so he would never be as important in KR than he was in OTL
Thanks though it was nice to no that not everyone was completely happy with Wrangel's change I suppose the new path has just quickly grown on me.
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Australasia, event 100064:
The event gives you a carrier and a light carrier. I suspect the latter one is meant to be an escort carrier, because the light carrier a.) does not come equipped with a CAG and b.) is usually supposed to be available around 1948, while the event seems to be intended to fire in the early fourties.
The event gives you a carrier and a light carrier. I suspect the latter one is meant to be an escort carrier, because the light carrier a.) does not come equipped with a CAG and b.) is usually supposed to be available around 1948, while the event seems to be intended to fire in the early fourties.
What part of 'no change needed' was not understood? You want me, who did not like the change, to help you go further in the change?
But sure, if I need to spell it out explicitly, don't change it. As if it was not a clear suggestion. And as I know that it won't happen, the change is made and there to stay, I clearly stated that a Hindenburg-Hitler rip-off and a Nazi flag was stupid bordering comical. Out of dozens of power changes and attempts in Russia over the years, you had to copy a Nazi one, not even bothering to change it even a little bit. You practically just changed names. That is not even just unimaginative, that is also lazy.
And as for the flag... tell me, in what universe, where Nazism did not rise in Germany under Hitler, would a Russian SR party (or any national socialist/populist party) use a red flag with white circle and a Slavic cross, a pagan symbol? Out of hundreds of alternate scenario Russian fascist flags and variations of imperial and naval flags, someone chose the worst possible option. Do I need to spell out a constructive part here as well? Don't change it! Or at least make something even remotely based in history.
Should be based on Black-Yellow-White tricolor (as it represents the whole Russian Empire) so either don't change it or use something based on it. Could have, for example, used the tricolor and added Russian Fascist Party coat of arms while removing swastika from it (and replace it with a star to symbolize Savinkov's socialist background, for example). Here, I made it for ya:
Or if you really wanted to go full on Nazi (for what ever reason), then you should have used Russian National Unity flag and symbols. Not from that part of history, but at least it existed and goes along those ideological lines.
Or, to be actually historical about all that, you could have just used a plain red flag and add a SR coat of arms - a black double headed eagle, with shield with a cross in front of it, and a star between its two heads (found on top of this page: https://community.dur.ac.uk/a.k.harrington/srprog.html ).
Possibilities are endless and they all depend on your preference, do you want to go more historical fascist/nationalist route, or you want a genuine SR inspired flag and symbols. But this perversion of a flag? If you need a constructive comment to make it obvious that someone made the worst possible decision, then we are not operating on the same level of respect here.
Here, I made some for ya, based on insignia in use with relevance to the topic:
Vatiation of SR flag with added coat of arms
A version of some sort of constitutional monarchy I found online (I take no credit)
A version of some sort of constitutional monarchy I found online (I take no credit)
A variation on that with replaced crowns
And my modification
Russian black-yellow-white tricolor that symbolizes the entire territory of Russian empire (white-blue-red tricolor symbolizes only Russian part of the empire) with added German republican wreath and a SR party coat of arms. There, a national populist flag of authoritarian state under Savinkov. Slight changes maybe should be made as the cross was not so wide in the original but I made this one within minutes so take it as an early draft.
And my modification
As for the story itself, out of so many inspirational moments, you simply had to copy the Nazi one. A change like this would dictate a whole new story about internal and external policy, a story to which one can draw inspiration from his early works as a revolutionary (1904-1905, Russo-Japanese war and its effect on revolution and subsequent effects on dealings with Japan with Savinkov in charge), up to Tsarist colonies in Siberia (work camps) and many more. Yet, we got a cheap Nazi rip-off. And then you are surprised why someone protests about it?
If I wanted to be a part of development team, I would have asked to join. I have no interest in that, but I have the right to say when someone's work is crappy. Not my fault that you cannot take an obvious hint as to what to do. I ain't doing your work for you - if you decided to do it, do it right or don't do it. You got some flags at least, you can use them, you don't have to, do what ever you want. But it is clear as day that you cannot take even an inch of criticism towards your work, and, frankly, you don't know how to draw from criticism that is not just a straight out spelling of "you should do this or that" - no, that is me telling you what to do, that is not criticism. Criticism is what I did in the first post but it looks like you need it to be all laid out, point by point.
What ever, good luck with your work, what ever you decide to make or do, be it Kaiserreich or something else. I'm done arguing.
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