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No, unfortunately, I cannot take credit. I honestly don't know who made it :0
 

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Wow thanks, also can you explain the ideologies for me? Isn't syndicalism just communism? What about totalism? Authoritarian democracy? I can't tell whos who or what's what really, does fascism exist in kaiserreich? etc

I'm no expert, but wouldn't Wrangelite Russia specifically fit the bill of fascist pretty well?

If you mean in the sense of all spheres of life united ("All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state"), then yes. But as for a more coherent ideology? No.

And I agree that OTL-style fascism doesn't exist, as Mussolini went over to the commies. But there are certainly right-wing ideologies that seem to parallel fascism.

It's more like Mussolini never left the commies. In OTL, he was a leadling light of world socialism for many years before he helped formulate fascism.

herman goring in africa is one too right? if I remember there were conspiracy theories that he wasn't executed at all but that he became a plantation owner in namibia

That's not an Easter egg, that's outright lore. He's one of the choices to take command of Mittelafrika after Solf dies. As for other Nazis, as you know Hitler died a hero in the Intervention in Russia, Himmler is a chicken farmer who is doing mad science to breed the ultimate breed of chicken.

Easter eggs are things like one of Mittelafrika's divisions. There's plenty of those around.

Also there is a chance that Stalin can pop up as a minister in Syndicalist Georgia, and in the 1926 scenario Chiang Kai-Shek appears as a pro-Syndicalist general.

He starts as a minister of Georgia (at least under Beria's regime), as Security minister. As for Chiang, I can't remember seeing him, though it's very possible he's alive in the 1926 scenario. But canonically, it's in that war that he 'disappears', along with Mao.
 

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As for Chiang, I can't remember seeing him, though it's very possible he's alive in the 1926 scenario. But canonically, it's in that war that he 'disappears', along with Mao.
You know, I am starting to see why that other guy believed you meant the two were secretly killed. You and the others put quotation marks over the word "disappears" which makes it seem as more of a "wink-wink" type of situation and that he didn't actually disappear. Since you mean he actually did disappear, you likely shouldn't use quotation marks. Also, I have a lore question myself. It is canon that Trotsky disappeared with rumours of him hiding in Mexico, correct?
 

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If you mean in the sense of all spheres of life united ("All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state"), then yes. But as for a more coherent ideology? No.



It's more like Mussolini never left the commies. In OTL, he was a leadling light of world socialism for many years before he helped formulate fascism.



That's not an Easter egg, that's outright lore. He's one of the choices to take command of Mittelafrika after Solf dies. As for other Nazis, as you know Hitler died a hero in the Intervention in Russia, Himmler is a chicken farmer who is doing mad science to breed the ultimate breed of chicken.

Easter eggs are things like one of Mittelafrika's divisions. There's plenty of those around.



He starts as a minister of Georgia (at least under Beria's regime), as Security minister. As for Chiang, I can't remember seeing him, though it's very possible he's alive in the 1926 scenario. But canonically, it's in that war that he 'disappears', along with Mao.
He is there, as a general. Then an event where he attempts to coup the Guomindang fires, and he is removed from the game, though whether he got killed or went into hiding is up to the player to decide.

You know, I am starting to see why that other guy believed you meant the two were secretly killed. You and the others put quotation marks over the word "disappears" which makes it seem as more of a "wink-wink" type of situation and that he didn't actually disappear. Since you mean he actually did disappear, you likely shouldn't use quotation marks. Also, I have a lore question myself. It is canon that Trotsky disappeared with rumours of him hiding in Mexico, correct?
Trotsky's assassin does appear though.
 

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You know, I am starting to see why that other guy believed you meant the two were secretly killed. You and the others put quotation marks over the word "disappears" which makes it seem as more of a "wink-wink" type of situation and that he didn't actually disappear. Since you mean he actually did disappear, you likely shouldn't use quotation marks. Also, I have a lore question myself. It is canon that Trotsky disappeared with rumours of him hiding in Mexico, correct?

In that case, I suppose I'll make it clear - when I and others say "disappears", I meant that in a literal "we don't frigging know what happened to these two random people out of how many millions of people that were effected" which is what tends to happen when civil wars occur. What I mean is that there is no lore period on what happened to them, but suffice to say they do not exist.

As for Trotsky, from what I recall, it's more he was largely blamed for the loss of the original Soviet Revolution, and it's so much he's in hiding as that he simply fades into obscurity. He may still be alive, but he's simply inconsequential at this point. No one cares about him anymore.

Communism is basically on it's last throes in in 1936 KR, with the Brazilian Communist Party, one of the last in the world, dissolving.
 

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In that case, I suppose I'll make it clear - when I and others say "disappears", I meant that in a literal "we don't frigging know what happened to these two random people out of how many millions of people that were effected"
Don't explain that to me because I know what you mean when you say disappear. I was just telling you that it would be closer to your actual point if you don't use quotation marks.
As for Trotsky, from what I recall, it's more he was largely blamed for the loss of the original Soviet Revolution, and it's so much he's in hiding as that he simply fades into obscurity. He may still be alive, but he's simply inconsequential at this point. No one cares about him anymore.
What's with the "more" part of this? I never said anything as to why he disappeared. I only asked where.
 

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What about the Russian Bolsheviks? I always got the impression from the events you get as other syndicalists that the soviets aren't really syndicalists.
Syndicalism is actually its own ideology from communism (though they are still related by descent from socialism) and was I think developed in France and Spain. Soviet communism is in-game referred to as Totalism, and the Soviets can join the Internationale/participate in Internationale congresses, but they're not syndicalists. There are some notable ideological differences between syndicalism and communism.
 

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My question wasn't whether the two were different, more confusion at IconOfEvi saying that communism was in its death throes given that as far as I can tell the Soviets are pretty much all old Bolsheviks.
 
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My question wasn't whether the two were different, more confusion at IconOfEvi saying that communism was in its death throes given that as far as I can tell the Soviets are pretty much all old Bolsheviks.
My bad. Judging how the Soviet rebellion happens in early game if at all, it seems like communism is in its death throes, as the Soviets aren't in a stable position and can be defeated by the White government if the Syndicalists don't help it out.
 

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My question wasn't whether the two were different, more confusion at IconOfEvi saying that communism was in its death throes given that as far as I can tell the Soviets are pretty much all old Bolsheviks.
Nah, I think a majority of them are Mensheviks rather than Bolsheviks.
 

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Don't explain that to me because I know what you mean when you say disappear. I was just telling you that it would be closer to your actual point if you don't use quotation marks.
What's with the "more" part of this? I never said anything as to why he disappeared. I only asked where.

Fair enough.

And as for the Trotsky thing, as far as I remember, they didn't say where he is. Presumably, he's still chilling out in Mexico I guess.

What about the Russian Bolsheviks? I always got the impression from the events you get as other syndicalists that the soviets aren't really syndicalists.

Well they (SOVNARKOM) are in a sense, in that their ideology had since been retooled as outgrowth from syndicalism, rather than old Soviet communism. They are, however, quite still brutalistic in their rebellion (you have to bear in mind that France and Britain, the two syndie heavyweights, had primarily non-violent revolution, with only a minimal civil war in France's case), and are early subscribers to Mosley's new consolidation of the theory of Totalism, hence why some are nervous at supporting another Russian revolution.

My question wasn't whether the two were different, more confusion at IconOfEvi saying that communism was in its death throes given that as far as I can tell the Soviets are pretty much all old Bolsheviks.

My bad. Judging how the Soviet rebellion happens in early game if at all, it seems like communism is in its death throes, as the Soviets aren't in a stable position and can be defeated by the White government if the Syndicalists don't help it out.

Look at it this way. If Maoism and Stalinism are the final path of Communism, Totalism is the final path of Syndicalism. All relevant far-leftist parties in KR switched over to syndicalism as their main ideological pillar. And they're not all old Bolsheviks. If you're looking for that, many of them gathered in Georgia, and of course also retooled their ideology.

Bolshies are mostly on the way out. Even Georgia has really Mensheviks than Bolsheviks if I recall correctly.
 

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And as for the Trotsky thing, as far as I remember, they didn't say where he is. Presumably, he's still chilling out in Mexico I guess.

I still want random events in nations "Trotsky seen! What might he be up to?" Giving a dissent hit! :p
 
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Isn't that one faction in the Commune of France (the Jacobins I think) made up of former Bolsheviks and others who follow their ideology? And they're not mentioned as being supporters/signers of the Totalist Charter (which would be Valois and the Sorelians) so I assume they're more old-school Soviet-style Bolshevism than a totalitarian outgrowth of Syndicalism.
 

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I still want random events in nations "Trotsky seen! What might he be up to?" Giving a dissent hit! :p

"A man resembling Lev Trotsky was spotted on one of our beaches recently, wearing sunglasses and swimwear. Our Chief of Staff has warned us that he is most likely scouting out potential landing sites, so the beach was cleared immediately, watchtowers built, and sentries posted. +1 dissent"

"A local policeman from a mountain resort swears he saw Trotsky skiing and drinking at the bar. He must be training alpine tactics to his underground army, so everyone present in the resort at that time has been quietly arrested for interrogation. +1 dissent"

"The proprietor of a small bookstore has alerted us that Trotsky visited his place of business to purchase a novel. All other copies of this work have been seized and are currently being studied by government cryptographers, while everyone who bought a copy in the last six months is under surveillance. +1 dissent"

"Yesterday, Trotsky walked right into the lobby of the national police headquarters and spent two hours yelling at the officers to leave him alone, before striding back out again and disappearing. This psychological warfare tactic has proven to be effective, as dozens of those present for the attack have turned in their resignations, citing "extreme workplace distress". +1 dissent"
 
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"A man resembling Lev Trotsky was spotted on one of our beaches recently, wearing sunglasses and swimwear. Our Chief of Staff has warned us that he is most likely scouting out potential landing sites, so the beach was cleared immediately, watchtowers built, and sentries posted. +1 dissent"

"A local policeman from a mountain resort swears he saw Trotsky skiing and drinking at the bar. He must be training alpine tactics to his underground army, so everyone present in the resort at that time has been quietly arrested for interrogation. +1 dissent"

"The proprietor of a small bookstore has alerted us that Trotsky visited his place of business to purchase a novel. All other copies of this work have been seized and are currently being studied by government cryptographers, while everyone who bought a copy in the last six months is under surveillance. +1 dissent"

"Yesterday, Trotsky walked right into the lobby of the national police headquarters and spent two hours yelling at the officers to leave him alone, before striding back out again and disappearing. This psychological warfare tactic has proven to be effective, as dozens of those present for the attack have turned in their resignations, citing "extreme workplace distress". +1 dissent"


Haha, yes! :D
 

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"Leon Trotsky spotted in a hotel bar allegedly drinking a Montgomery Martini. Austrian authorities have closed Harry's Bar in Venice pending investigation."
+1 dissent
 

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Maybe we should have a fan competition. Create funny "Trotsky's Seen" texts, and the devs will create events of the best ones! : D
 
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