Kaiserreich

[f1nalstand17]

Where else can I download KR? Both of the download links don't work for me:sad:

 

[LordTempest]

Hi, just a simple question: is possible to reverse sides in italian situation? I explain: you have in the north a theocratic state ruled by Vatican elite. In the south you have syndicalism. I think that this should be exactly the opposite. The north was always heavily industrialized with a strong working class, while the south was for most agricultural, with a strong catholic faith rooted in the peasant society. So I think that if the revolution had taken place it would have been in the north, not in the south. I'm sorry if this idea is a blasphemy to the lore of Kaiserreich mod (wich I consider a really impressive work). And sorry for the bad english!

I agree with you on this: the area occupied by the Italian Federation was the more industrialised, more proletarian, more unionised, pro-PCI, pro-republican part of Italy historically while the south was the more agricultural, pro-CD, pro-monarchist part of Italy. It simply stands to reason that if there were to be a Syndicalist uprising in Italy, it would occur in the area currently occupied by the Italian Federation and not in the south. The problem is that rectifying this at such an advanced stage of the mod would (quite literally) turn Italy upside down. The entire history of both Italies would have to be reworked. From a gameplay pov, how would the balance of power between the Syndicalists and Mitteleuropa be affected by a powerful North Italian Socialist Republic sitting right next door to Austria? The FI shares a land border with the CoF, how would moving the Syndies to the north affect the Second Weltkrieg? It might certainly take some of the naval element out of the Mediterranean theatre. How would that affect National France if the Entente goes to war with the Syndies? And so on.

If the mod were still in the planning or beta stages, it's certainly something I'd get Sarmy to fix, but at this late stage I think that reversing the Italian situation would be a change too far.

 

[Zhetone]

They could just tweak the story if it isn't already this way and say that there was a civil war, and the Syndicalists simply managed to hold onto the southern part of Italy rather than the north.
Then again I'm not really sure why the Pope controls half of Italy anyways.

 

[Gukpa]

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Italian_Federation For info about Italy

after the italian defeat the Austrians splitted Italian, the main reason that the Pope Pope was chosen was to be as nominal Head of State, as the glue to keep the Federation together. However, the Pope was supposed to be merely a spiritual guide and a figure head.

 

[Zhetone]

Yeah that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[OnFire]

About that Italian thing: IRL the western parts of germany, where all the heavy industry is located (Ruhrgebiet, Hamburg etc.) was more left-leaning then the east, which was dominated by conservative prussian junkers and was primarily agrarian. Nevertheless the west got capitalist and east communist - not only in KR history is shaped by wars.

 

[LordTempest]

About that Italian thing: IRL the western parts of germany, where all the heavy industry is located (Ruhrgebiet, Hamburg etc.) was more left-leaning then the east, which was dominated by conservative prussian junkers and was primarily agrarian. Nevertheless the west got capitalist and east communist - not only in KR history is shaped by wars.

That comparison isn't really applicable, as IIRC all of Italy was annexed by the same power (Habsburg Austria.) If all of Germany had been annexed by the Soviet Union, it would all be communist, and vice versa for if it had been annexed by the Allies.

 

[KaiserWilhelmI]

About that Italian thing: IRL the western parts of germany, where all the heavy industry is located (Ruhrgebiet, Hamburg etc.) was more left-leaning then the east, which was dominated by conservative prussian junkers and was primarily agrarian. Nevertheless the west got capitalist and east communist - not only in KR history is shaped by wars.

Yes, but the west was occupied by capitalists and the east by communists, so it wasn't exactly a revolution that made the east red.

 

[^_AC_^]

They could just tweak the story if it isn't already this way and say that there was a civil war, and the Syndicalists simply managed to hold onto the southern part of Italy rather than the north.

But that's what basically happened. A-H occupied all of Italy and decided to divide it in micro-states united in a federation, but there were some revolts which were repressed in the north but successful in the south. The southern half of the peninsula won some battles against the tired A-H troops (but failed to reach Rome) and managed to reach a stalemate and gain independence.

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Palmiro_Togliatti In February 1921, together with similar movements operating in the same contest, they launched the revolution and attacked the Austrian troops controlling the country. The deeply discontented peasantry soon joined the uprising and the Italian Republican Army was created, achieving important victories and freeing the South of Italy of Austrian troops but failing to reach Rome after the defeat in the Battle of Anzio.

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Benito_Mussolini Mussolini participated to the early stages of the Italian Revolution, calling for revolt and resistance against the Central Powers in his newspaper, and going for sabotage operations in Austrian-occupied North Italy. When the occupation authorities finally decided reprisals and that the Syndicalist revolution broke out in Sicily and Naples, Mussolini quickly escaped to the South and was appointed colonel in the quite unexperienced Italian Republican Army, having a few success in Campania but being defeated, along with his fellows, at the Battle of Anzio.

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Socialist_Republic_of_Italy Surprisingly for the Austrians, there was much opposition to this plan from the traditionally conservative peasantry, which was so strong as to result in a series of uprisings. At the same time Anarcho-Syndicalist movements began to grow in the new state, and encouraged by events elsewhere in the world became increasingly aggressive. Before long southern Italy was in chaos, a chaos which lasted for the next year and a half. Many Syndicalist leaders in northern Italy, who were unable to do act due to the Austrian occupation, migrated south and served to further fuel the growing Syndicalist groups there, and they encouraged political alliances with the anarchists, which allowed them to increase their power greatly. In February 1921 the Anarcho-Syndicalists, led by Palmiro Togliatti and Amadeo Bordiga, felt ready to launch the revolution, which was joined by large parts of the deeply discontent peasantry, who saw it primarily as a chance to rid southern Italy of Austrian influences. After two months of civil war the Anarcho-Syndicalists triumphed, the ‘Socialist Republic of Italy’ declared, and an alliance with France forged. With Germany’s refusal to intervene Austria was grudgingly forced to recognise the new regime.

As you can see there are some contradictions, but in the end they basically says that the revolt against Austrian occupation failed in the North and won in the South.

Then again I'm not really sure why the Pope controls half of Italy anyways.

The Italian Federation was born as a very loose confederation of minor states: http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Italian_Federation#Administrative_entities_composing_the_Federation

• Principality of Sardegna-Piemonte
• Papal State
• Grand Duchy of Toscana
• Duchy of Modena, Ferrara and Reggio
• Duchy of Parma and Piacenza
• Republic of Lombardia
• Republic of Liguria
• Republic of Corsica

The Pope at the beginning was just a figurehead, the nominal head of the Federation but with no real power: he was simply the Head of State of the Papal State, which controlled Rome. Then in 1933-34 the Pope and the Papal State managed to gain more control and centralize the Federation, getting real power over it:

http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Italian_Federation#History In the early 1930's a group of radical cardinals gained political control of the Vatican. Aided by Pope Pius XI this group pushed for the centralization and expansion of Papal power and control over the federation. During this period Austria was distracted by internal affairs, and was reluctant to intervene in favour of the status quo and stir troubles among its own Catholic population. Playing on the massive popular support the Pope had and setting this in the context of needing a great leader to guard Italian Federation from the dangers of Syndicalism the Pope emerged as the formal leader of northern Italy in 1934.

 

[LordTempest]

Is there any chance of the SRI receiving some love in the next update?

 

[^_AC_^]

Define love.
Ideas are always welcome of course!

 

[LiamRiordan]

Define love.

[video=youtube;xhrBDcQq2DM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM[/video]

 

[Milites]

- United Provinces decided to liberate Guatemala and San Salvador, but they keep cores upon their territory

Do you know the specific event number and localisation?

- alliance bugs: Wihte Ruthenia and Ukraine left ME without reason, same for Carlist Spain in Mediterranean Alliance

More details would be appreciated. I've not experienced this before.

 

[Gukpa]

The event 654008 fall Jungingen doesn't work because when White Ruthenia leaves Mittleeuropa it doesn't cancel his non agression pact with Germany

 

[Bridget]

Would it be possible to make an art pack, so more countries have unique art work for their armies?

I'd love to help with that

 

[unmerged(328854)]

Do you know the specific event number and localisation?

This event adds cores for NIC

event = {
id = 61058
country = NIC
picture = "street"
style = 2

trigger = { 
NOT = {
exists = GUA
}	
control = { province = 2086 data = NIC } #Belize City
control = { province = 2088 data = NIC }
control = { province = 2087 data = NIC } #Guatemala
control = { province = 2079 data = NIC }	
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1963 }

name = "The United Provinces Victory in the Central American War"
desc = "The United Provinces have emerged victorious in the Central American War! We know control all of Central America, either directly or indirectly."

action_a = {
name = "Central America is Ours!"
	command = { type = addcore which = 2086 }
	command = { type = addcore which = 2088 }
	command = { type = addcore which = 2087 }
        command = { type = addcore which = 2079 }
	command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
	}
}

While this:

event = {
	id = 11800168
	tag = { USA TEX CSA CAL U32 U06 CAN FRA ENG SOV RUS GER BRA ARG COL U31 VIC U08 U07 JAP CHC CHI MEX NIC HON GUY }

	trigger = { 
		control = { province = 2088 data = -1 } 
		NOT = {
				exists = GUA
                                exists = SAL
		}
	}

	name = "The Fate of Centroamerica"
	desc = "The Centroamerican state has been annexed, our troops are parading in Ciudad de Guatemala. A major threat to the stability in the region has been removed."
	picture = "POWs"
        style = 2


	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
	offset = 15
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1963 }

	action = {
		name = "Continue with military occupation !"
                ai_chance = 1
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
	}

        action = {
		name = "Liberate San Salvador and Guatemala !"
                ai_chance = 99
                trigger = { 
                NOT = { 
                government = communist
                }
                }
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
                command = { type = independence which = SAL value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = SAL  }
                command = { type = independence which = GUA value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = GUA  }
                command = { type = name where = GUA which = GUA_NOR_NAME }
                command = { type = flag_ext where = GUA which = "_nor" }
                command = { type = trigger which = 11800169 }
	}

        action = {
		name = "Liberate Centroamerica !"
                ai_chance = 99
                trigger = { 
                government = communist
                }
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
                command = { type = independence which = GUA value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = GUA  }
                command = { type = trigger which = 11800170 }
	}
}

forces liberation without removing cores. Maybe just remove NIC from event 11800168?

More details would be appreciated. I've not experienced this before.

1. German Empire went democratic, wasn't at war with anyone. Before 1939, Ukraine (with authoritarian regime after defeating the revolutionists) left ME. White Ruthenia did the same after WK2 (also authoritarian).
2. Carlist Spain made an alliance with NS Italian Federation, democratic Portugal and democratic National France. Before 2nd WK left alliance.
Maybe AI issues (they don't want to stay with "unfriendly" ideology?)?

 

[Milites]

Is there any chance of the SRI receiving some love in the next update?

AC is our resident expert on all Italian matters (as well as pretty much everything else), so he's definitely the go-to guy for Italian additions

Would it be possible to make an art pack, so more countries have unique art work for their armies?

I'd love to help with that

DarkArk is doing a wonderful job on adapting various kinds of SKIF sets for Kaiserreich, maybe you should contact him
http://cs.servegame.com/kaiserreich/thread-1251.html

This event adds cores for NIC

event = {
id = 61058
country = NIC
picture = "street"
style = 2

trigger = { 
NOT = {
exists = GUA
}	
control = { province = 2086 data = NIC } #Belize City
control = { province = 2088 data = NIC }
control = { province = 2087 data = NIC } #Guatemala
control = { province = 2079 data = NIC }	
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1963 }

name = "The United Provinces Victory in the Central American War"
desc = "The United Provinces have emerged victorious in the Central American War! We know control all of Central America, either directly or indirectly."

action_a = {
name = "Central America is Ours!"
	command = { type = addcore which = 2086 }
	command = { type = addcore which = 2088 }
	command = { type = addcore which = 2087 }
        command = { type = addcore which = 2079 }
	command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
	}
}

While this:

event = {
	id = 11800168
	tag = { USA TEX CSA CAL U32 U06 CAN FRA ENG SOV RUS GER BRA ARG COL U31 VIC U08 U07 JAP CHC CHI MEX NIC HON GUY }

	trigger = { 
		control = { province = 2088 data = -1 } 
		NOT = {
				exists = GUA
                                exists = SAL
		}
	}

	name = "The Fate of Centroamerica"
	desc = "The Centroamerican state has been annexed, our troops are parading in Ciudad de Guatemala. A major threat to the stability in the region has been removed."
	picture = "POWs"
        style = 2


	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
	offset = 15
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1963 }

	action = {
		name = "Continue with military occupation !"
                ai_chance = 1
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
	}

        action = {
		name = "Liberate San Salvador and Guatemala !"
                ai_chance = 99
                trigger = { 
                NOT = { 
                government = communist
                }
                }
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
                command = { type = independence which = SAL value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = SAL  }
                command = { type = independence which = GUA value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = GUA  }
                command = { type = name where = GUA which = GUA_NOR_NAME }
                command = { type = flag_ext where = GUA which = "_nor" }
                command = { type = trigger which = 11800169 }
	}

        action = {
		name = "Liberate Centroamerica !"
                ai_chance = 99
                trigger = { 
                government = communist
                }
		command = { type = supplies value = 1000 }
		command = { type = dissent value = -5 }
                command = { type = independence which = GUA value = 1 when = 0 }
                command = { type = make_puppet which = GUA  }
                command = { type = trigger which = 11800170 }
	}
}

forces liberation without removing cores. Maybe just remove NIC from event 11800168?

More details would be appreciated. I've not experienced this before.

I fixed it by adding a NOT trigger about having cores on the provinces

1. German Empire went democratic, wasn't at war with anyone. Before 1939, Ukraine (with authoritarian regime after defeating the revolutionists) left ME. White Ruthenia did the same after WK2 (also authoritarian).
2. Carlist Spain made an alliance with NS Italian Federation, democratic Portugal and democratic National France. Before 2nd WK left alliance.
Maybe AI issues (they don't want to stay with "unfriendly" ideology?)?

That's what I feared. I've faced something very much alike this with India. In the new build, there's a chance for Delhi to puppet Nepal and Afghanistan and if their ideology is too different from the other members of the Entente, the other nations leaves the alliance. I fixed it by adding events for Nepal/Afghanistan maxing their relations with all Entente members. However, this is a very rudimentary fix, but I don't know how to change it unfortunately.

Does any of the DH developers know of a way to circumvent this problem?

 

[unmerged(328854)]

Another issue. WK2 erupts, Entente DoWs German Empire. What about event/decision for Syndies to DoW Canada&National France (i.e. after third Congress just like African Liberation) after driving GER out of Europe?

 

[Wolfen_84]

I agree with you on this: the area occupied by the Italian Federation was the more industrialised, more proletarian, more unionised, pro-PCI, pro-republican part of Italy historically while the south was the more agricultural, pro-CD, pro-monarchist part of Italy. It simply stands to reason that if there were to be a Syndicalist uprising in Italy, it would occur in the area currently occupied by the Italian Federation and not in the south. The problem is that rectifying this at such an advanced stage of the mod would (quite literally) turn Italy upside down. The entire history of both Italies would have to be reworked. From a gameplay pov, how would the balance of power between the Syndicalists and Mitteleuropa be affected by a powerful North Italian Socialist Republic sitting right next door to Austria? The FI shares a land border with the CoF, how would moving the Syndies to the north affect the Second Weltkrieg? It might certainly take some of the naval element out of the Mediterranean theatre. How would that affect National France if the Entente goes to war with the Syndies? And so on.

If the mod were still in the planning or beta stages, it's certainly something I'd get Sarmy to fix, but at this late stage I think that reversing the Italian situation would be a change too far.

Hehehe, yes, I thought about this gampelay aspect, I understand that such a change could really create a damage to the game and you also have to rewrite the lore of KR.
I don't want to insist, but just think about the Italian civil war during 1943 - 45. The country was splitted in two: the north occupied by german and RSI, the south by the allied. Where was strong the partisan - comunist resistance? In the north! Almost all the italian partisans were workers from the northern factories or students from the universities, while in the south a lot of people joined the new italian army under the allied. The strong political views in Italy (fascism and comunism) come from the Center-North.

Anyway I think you can say that the AH army helped the Italian Federation to take control of the country forcing the Revolutionary movements to flee into the south (but again this is not corret since the north is much more better for a guerrilla warfare than the south).... Sorry to bother you with this fancy, but it's because I really love thi mod!!

 

[LordTempest]

Hehehe, yes, I thought about this gampelay aspect, I understand that such a change could really create a damage to the game and you also have to rewrite the lore of KR.
I don't want to insist, but just think about the Italian civil war during 1943 - 45. The country was splitted in two: the north occupied by german and RSI, the south by the allied. Where was strong the partisan - comunist resistance? In the north! Almost all the italian partisans were workers from the northern factories or students from the universities, while in the south a lot of people joined the new italian army under the allied. The strong political views in Italy (fascism and comunism) come from the Center-North.

To be fair, it would be silly for Communists to rebel against the Allies when they and Moscow were at war with Berlin and Stalin was encouraging popular fronts.

Anyway I think you can say that the AH army helped the Italian Federation to take control of the country forcing the Revolutionary movements to flee into the south (but again this is not corret since the north is much more better for a guerrilla warfare than the south).... Sorry to bother you with this fancy, but it's because I really love thi mod!!

That is basically what happened in the KR world; it's already part of the lore. I disagree though that the north would be a better place to fight a guerrilla campaign; you don't fight guerrilla wars in bustling cities or quaint suburbs, and there is a reason why the mafia is such a strong force in the south.