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Great game over all, I will never leave Japan so unprotected again though. Thank You Hiensen for the funniest moment in HoI2 history I can remember. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I laughed for like 2 minutes strait.
As for the rematch...everyone just post when they can play.
As for the rematch...everyone just post when they can play.
First of all Id like to say, thank you all for this great game. We were always a group, I feel everyone showed understanding for others problems and it was this kind of behaviour that allowed us to bring this game to a closure, without any problems.
No one bitched anyone on delays, or not being able to play etc, etc thats pretty hard to find nowadays. Congrats to all on this, regulars and the occasional subs who rouse so well to the ocasion.
As to the campaign itself, dor what I saw everyone made their mistakes, some paid more than others for them. Wells was unfortunate on Japan being an island and forgot about "spying" subs.... this costed him the game.
Fortunate for me.
It was the subs that allowed me to capture Berlin in a Coup d´main, but it was a nice use of paras and "spy"
planes that allowed Knupp his revenge :rofl: :rofl:
I made the mistake of underetimating Japanese ability in Asia and it cost me my industrial heartland, Knupp underetimated Red army´s endurance and resilience when he decided to go to Crimea and Asia so soon...Manstein avoided disaster in real life but...In our game dozens of minor dis and at least a dozen Panzer Divs go caught in Caucasus and Crimea in a huge pocket after my counter offensive.
I underestimated CAS power, and it costed me hundreds of divs!!
Overall it was a great game.
One last word on the Suez affair That was a masterpiece!! If it had worked it would have costed the allies their whole european army!! And had for sure made the war last 2 or 3 more years at last, if not shifting the balance completelly and ending the conflict with an Axis victory!!
WHy? I was very hard pressed at the time, only 150 ICs or so and SU would surely be finished had the western allies been defeated in the Balkans as a consequence of the Suez move.
Thank you all once more.
No one bitched anyone on delays, or not being able to play etc, etc thats pretty hard to find nowadays. Congrats to all on this, regulars and the occasional subs who rouse so well to the ocasion.
As to the campaign itself, dor what I saw everyone made their mistakes, some paid more than others for them. Wells was unfortunate on Japan being an island and forgot about "spying" subs....
this costed him the game.Fortunate for me.
It was the subs that allowed me to capture Berlin in a Coup d´main, but it was a nice use of paras and "spy"
planes that allowed Knupp his revenge :rofl: :rofl:
I made the mistake of underetimating Japanese ability in Asia and it cost me my industrial heartland, Knupp underetimated Red army´s endurance and resilience when he decided to go to Crimea and Asia so soon...Manstein avoided disaster in real life but...In our game dozens of minor dis and at least a dozen Panzer Divs go caught in Caucasus and Crimea in a huge pocket after my counter offensive.
I underestimated CAS power, and it costed me hundreds of divs!!
Overall it was a great game.
One last word on the Suez affair
That was a masterpiece!! If it had worked it would have costed the allies their whole european army!! And had for sure made the war last 2 or 3 more years at last, if not shifting the balance completelly and ending the conflict with an Axis victory!! WHy? I was very hard pressed at the time, only 150 ICs or so and SU would surely be finished had the western allies been defeated in the Balkans as a consequence of the Suez move.
Thank you all once more.
Yes really interesting game,but once more axis lost.
Btw we must reconsider the value of liberated nations,as they are exploity imo and KostasL opinion too(both me and KostasL liberated 2 nations that saved our asses ,when our army was encircled / Greece -Azerbaizan ,so we keep supply our armies).
I want also to say that we can start the rematch on Tuesday with my team as allies and opposite team as axis .
PS:i agree with Wellsey that i laughed to death with Hiensen's move
Btw we must reconsider the value of liberated nations,as they are exploity imo and KostasL opinion too(both me and KostasL liberated 2 nations that saved our asses ,when our army was encircled / Greece -Azerbaizan ,so we keep supply our armies).
I want also to say that we can start the rematch on Tuesday with my team as allies and opposite team as axis .
PS:i agree with Wellsey that i laughed to death with Hiensen's move
I do not consider the liberation move exploitative, even if it did save your ass
It´s more then a personall opinion, in my view it brings realism to the game and not the contrary... For instance in the Azerbeijan move, is it realistical that divs there go out of oil when they are sitting in one of the worlds greastest oil field and with refinaries on top? I think not! More living of the land was always an option in real life, way not here? As it is the game doesn´t allow this, liberation in these cases corrects that. How exactly?
Consider the historical case of Ukraine, as soon as the summer of 42 german troops were being fed by ukrainian livestock and grain ripped from Ukranian fields much relieving the overburdened german logistical system. This is historical, well documented as most of you well know.
Plus the game depot system is one of it´s major flaws in my view, in real life a depot system, could and was created and maintaned sustaining units in the case of encirclement or transportation breakdown due for instance of bad weather.
These depots became tactical goals in themselves historically ( examples : Bulge, Veliki Luki, Staraya Russa, Tazinskaya etc, etc ) and would allow if they had been well "placed" in the game many new and accurate options for defensive or ofensive action.
This said I believe liberating a nation, when possible, is not exploitative I believe that we can and should see as this : When the requirements for that liberation are met a suficicent measure of control of the region has been achieved by the ocuppying side, to allow the use of local resources for it´s own benefict.
This said I think more "exploitative" other game flaws like moving planes across the globe non-stop!! They should have a maximum rebase range, allowing therefore realistic stops along the way. This is only an example of course.
It´s more then a personall opinion, in my view it brings realism to the game and not the contrary... For instance in the Azerbeijan move, is it realistical that divs there go out of oil when they are sitting in one of the worlds greastest oil field and with refinaries on top? I think not! More living of the land was always an option in real life, way not here? As it is the game doesn´t allow this, liberation in these cases corrects that. How exactly?
Consider the historical case of Ukraine, as soon as the summer of 42 german troops were being fed by ukrainian livestock and grain ripped from Ukranian fields much relieving the overburdened german logistical system. This is historical, well documented as most of you well know.
Plus the game depot system is one of it´s major flaws in my view, in real life a depot system, could and was created and maintaned sustaining units in the case of encirclement or transportation breakdown due for instance of bad weather.
These depots became tactical goals in themselves historically ( examples : Bulge, Veliki Luki, Staraya Russa, Tazinskaya etc, etc ) and would allow if they had been well "placed" in the game many new and accurate options for defensive or ofensive action.
This said I believe liberating a nation, when possible, is not exploitative I believe that we can and should see as this : When the requirements for that liberation are met a suficicent measure of control of the region has been achieved by the ocuppying side, to allow the use of local resources for it´s own benefict.
This said I think more "exploitative" other game flaws like moving planes across the globe non-stop!! They should have a maximum rebase range, allowing therefore realistic stops along the way. This is only an example of course.
To quote Aki:
This said I believe liberating a nation, when possible, is not exploitative I believe that we can and should see as this : When the requirements for that liberation are met a suficicent measure of control of the region has been achieved by the ocuppying side, to allow the use of local resources for it´s own benefict.
This said I think more "exploitative" other game flaws like moving planes across the globe non-stop!! They should have a maximum rebase range, allowing therefore realistic stops along the way. This is only an example of course.
I agree. I think that there would be some cases that it is gamey, but I guess I could go along with it. Maybe we can limit it to one time per team per game or something? If I remember correctly the allies had more control over their situation in the Balkans than when our axis team did in the caucasus, making the allies' liberation of Greece less gamey. But Aki does make a good point.
This said I believe liberating a nation, when possible, is not exploitative I believe that we can and should see as this : When the requirements for that liberation are met a suficicent measure of control of the region has been achieved by the ocuppying side, to allow the use of local resources for it´s own benefict.
This said I think more "exploitative" other game flaws like moving planes across the globe non-stop!! They should have a maximum rebase range, allowing therefore realistic stops along the way. This is only an example of course.
I agree. I think that there would be some cases that it is gamey, but I guess I could go along with it. Maybe we can limit it to one time per team per game or something? If I remember correctly the allies had more control over their situation in the Balkans than when our axis team did in the caucasus, making the allies' liberation of Greece less gamey. But Aki does make a good point.
Wellsey said:
I agree totally with wellsey.In my opinion liberation of a nation should be allowed only if there is not the danger of encirclement,otherwise its an exploit.
Eitherway,Greece or Azerbaitzan cant supply 80 units(im talking about realism) and i consider a bug of this game,cause they can supply even 1000 division without even having supplies or oil.For this reason i suggest we add this in next game-not allowed of liberation army if in that area armies are in danger of encirclement.
Knupp the danger of encirclement alone as a condition, would make the rule too broad...See the Greek example in our game for instance...One could free Greece right after occupation of the country before the danger of encirclement existed to prevent future problems...And voilá !
I mean I think it´s self evident that wether you see the situation as I presented it or don´t use the liberation option altogether...Somewhere along the same lines of Coup.
I don´t mind Liberation has I have explained, but if it freaks you out a bit we don´t use it, period.
I mean I think it´s self evident that wether you see the situation as I presented it or don´t use the liberation option altogether...Somewhere along the same lines of Coup.
I don´t mind Liberation has I have explained, but if it freaks you out a bit we don´t use it, period.
Aki Mackensen said:One last word on the Suez affair
WHy? I was very hard pressed at the time, only 150 ICs or so and SU would surely be finished had the western allies been defeated in the Balkans as a consequence of the Suez move.
Axis shall loose almost all games if rules will not change a bit.
Allied could loose Suez without problem. They should be delayed for 3 months or so. That's all.
It is never too soon for the allies to start planning....Knupp, Hiensen start giving me some ideas via some PM's lets get this going... 3 brains are better than one. If you want, we can get together in the V-net... I am dieing to see who Aki takes as far as the Axis go, Italy maybe?
GER :Kostas ?
ITA :Aki ?
JAP :Kthnos ?
USSR :Hiensen ?
UK :Knupp ?
USA :Wellsey ?
It's an suggestion for the teams,players can confirm or not.
Here's my schedule : monday game(monday evenning),various days game(random+wednesday evenning),sunday game(sunday evenning)
Free days for this game : tuesday(not sure),thursday,friday,saturday
ITA :Aki ?
JAP :Kthnos ?
USSR :Hiensen ?
UK :Knupp ?
USA :Wellsey ?
It's an suggestion for the teams,players can confirm or not.
Here's my schedule : monday game(monday evenning),various days game(random+wednesday evenning),sunday game(sunday evenning)
Free days for this game : tuesday(not sure),thursday,friday,saturday
Yes I claim my native land of USA, this is the only game that I am committed to right now and I am keeping it that way, so any day, Monday through Saturday, after 2000 cet, 1900 cet I get 1 less hour of sleep. I repeat that I get off of work around the time that you all are eating lunch, I assume that europeans eat lunch around 1200, 1300. So I am waking up at 1900 or 2000 cet, I am sure you all get it...
I don´t usually play anyone except SU, and I played germany for 1 and half years so i´m a little sick of it. Italy is a challenge and I don´t mind to give it a try...never played them.
However I would much prefer Japan...
My time will be much restricted in the coming months, School is starting and I give math "tutoring lessons", besides work, so...
If we cannot revert back to the one day a week shcedule, It´s better then I´m out. Let me know. I know there´s no shortage of players nowadays and Ed is probably coming back soon.
However I would much prefer Japan...
My time will be much restricted in the coming months, School is starting and I give math "tutoring lessons", besides work, so...
If we cannot revert back to the one day a week shcedule, It´s better then I´m out. Let me know. I know there´s no shortage of players nowadays and Ed is probably coming back soon.
I am sorry gentlemen, I forgot that I have my follow up dentist appointment this Tuesday. It is at 2030 cet, they have some work to do on me and so I doubt I will be able to make it at all. But what I will do is post here when I get home and you can rehost, if all are ok with it. I guess Knupp or Hien can sub me for the first few months of play, since we are just setting up our countries and all. Sorry I forgot to mention this, like I said before, I know it all, but I ust can not think of it all at the same time! :rofl:
Due to Hiensen tommorow has a game and wednesday we have another we postpone session for Thursday.
Allied team is ready:
-UK-->Knupp
-USSR-->Hiensen
-USA-->Wellsey
Aki said that he cant really play,so KostasL or kthnos should find a 3rd player for axis.
Regulars plz confirm
Allied team is ready:
-UK-->Knupp
-USSR-->Hiensen
-USA-->Wellsey
Aki said that he cant really play,so KostasL or kthnos should find a 3rd player for axis.
Regulars plz confirm
Knupp said:
I didn´t say that!!! I said I would have trouble playing more than once a week
Are you throwing me out already ? Shame on you!
Aki Mackensen said:I didn´t say that!!! I said I would have trouble playing more than once a week
Of course not mate,but we need a game that will be 2 or 3 times per week for sure.If you can make it,then axis is ready