Just started playing Mare Nostrum and already want to disable it+Questions

[Chronicler]

I decided to buy Mare Nostrum and Third Rome when they had a discount during Halloween, haven't played any until now.

It seems kind of crazy to me that my enemy can just rent 6-7k troops for 0.00 in price quite randomly. I mean they fixed so you can't get new allies during an ongoing war, but this just ruins that. Is it suppose to work this way?

Can I somehow disable condottieri and keep the other features of the dlc?

 

[Benghi Bon]

No you can't, only option would be to use a mod which won't make the game playable in ironman sadly.

 

[Chronicler]

No you can't, only option would be to use a mod which won't make the game playable in ironman sadly.

Well, let's pray they never make condottieri a free feature.....

 

[GRWalker]

My biggest gameplay change after Mare Nostrum was to never reduce a country to 1 province, fearing that they would go and join a trade league.

 

[fabius]

Hmm. was gonna pick up MN on sale for the condottieri.

Anybody know whether there's a mod that fixes the zero price thing ?

 

[Chronicler]

Hmm. was gonna pick up MN on sale for the condottieri.

Anybody know whether there's a mod that fixes the zero price thing ?

Save the money. I should have listened to the reviews on this DLC.....

At least until they put in something that enables you to disable the condottieri, or entirely change it. It's strange to see something everywhere that was based on the hiring of German mercenaries.

 

[bradles0]

The zero price condetteri is an intended war subsidies function. Think of it like they're renting them condetteri for like 10d/month, and then giving them subsidies for 10d/month. And keep in mind players can do this too, for instance if you want to help hungary or byzantium with the ottomans early, or you can help england a bit in the 100 years war as austria or castille/aragon to weaken france.

It doesn't happen often unless you made a lot of people very angry. And countries that have truces can't rent them to your enemies.

It's strange to see something everywhere that was based on the hiring of German mercenaries.

Everyone has bought armies from other countries through the entirety of history, it's just named after the German mercenaries the same way Italian states can use galloglaigh style infantry even though they aren't scotland.

 

[Chronicler]

The zero price condetteri is an intended war subsidies function. Think of it like they're renting them condetteri for like 10d/month, and then giving them subsidies for 10d/month. And keep in mind players can do this too, for instance if you want to help hungary or byzantium with the ottomans early, or you can help england a bit in the 100 years war as austria or castille/aragon to weaken france.

It doesn't happen often unless you made a lot of people very angry. And countries that have truces can't rent them to your enemies.


Everyone has bought armies from other countries through the entirety of history, it's just named after the German mercenaries the same way Italian states can use galloglaigh style infantry even though they aren't scotland.

I've read a lot of history and I've never come across this concept in tribal societies, I mean I have read about how the Incas enslaved people and forced them to fight for them, but that's hardly the same thing.

Can you give examples of this in the Americas, Africa, Middle East and Asia?

EDIT: Also, when a two-province state is able to send out 7k troops to the state I'm fighting for a 0.00 subsidy, I see that as basically a declaration of war lol, but I still can't invade them >_>.

Personally, I think functions such as these should be left to smaller states, Hessians and Swiss were for example famous for this, and once they grow to much, they should lose this ability.

 

[bradles0]

Can you give examples of this in the Americas, Africa, Middle East and Asia?

Personally, I think functions such as these should be left to smaller states, Hessians and Swiss were for example famous for this, and once they grow to much, they should lose this ability.

Don't know enough about africa and early america to say, the tribal norse had a hereditary mercenary group that worked for Byzantium, in the middle east persia and timurids both sent troops to help fight rome and byzantium in the holy wars, in Asia Ronin groups in japan were essentially condotteri mercenaries, as were the troops that function as Manchu Banners in EU4.

and as for large countries being unable to rent condotteri, France gave some to america during the revolutionary war, britain gave some to germany during the napoleonic wars where they didn't declare war, and the entire US involvement in vietnam was technically condotteri since we never declared war.

 

[Chronicler]

Don't know enough about africa and early america to say, the tribal norse had a hereditary mercenary group that worked for Byzantium, in the middle east persia and timurids both sent troops to help fight rome and byzantium in the holy wars, in Asia Ronin groups in japan were essentially condotteri mercenaries, as were the troops that function as Manchu Banners in EU4.

and as for large countries being unable to rent condotteri, France gave some to america during the revolutionary war, britain gave some to germany during the napoleonic wars where they didn't declare war, and the entire US involvement in vietnam was technically condotteri since we never declared war.

Wait wait here.

To begin with, a lot of your examples are outside the EU4 timeframe. Anyhow.

1. The Varangian guard was basically mercenaries/invididuals that took up employment, this is not the same thing as condottieri, which in the game is modeled on princes/states hiring out their armies for pay. Like many German princes did. Mercenaries are already covered in the game.

2. "in the middle east persia and timurids both sent troops to help fight rome and byzantium in the holy wars" <---I'm very unsure about the timeline on this, the crusades ended long before Timurlane created the Timurids, so forgive me for being confused here. Same with Persia, there was no Persia, so who are we talking about?

3. Check etymology of the word "Ronin", they were also mercenaries, or soldiers for pay. Not the same basic concept

4. "and as for large countries being unable to rent condotteri, France gave some to america during the revolutionary war" <---To my knowledge France was an ally of the US during that way, and they also were at war with Britain themselves (for different reasons)

5. "britain gave some to germany during the napoleonic wars where they didn't declare war" <--when?

6. "the entire US involvement in vietnam was technically condotteri since we never declared war" <----You never declared war because the communists were basically rebels, it was an insurrection, and the US was assisting the Vietnam government (legitimacy of that "government" can be put in question ofc). Anyhow, once again, basic concept, the Vietnamese did not pay the US to intervene, and there wasn't many war declarations because both sides were afraid of the conflict spreading (China, Soviet Union etc were assisting the communists).

 

[CMDR_HERNE]

Before buying MN I was concerned about the ai abusing condetteri but I am glad it doesn't. Remember you can also hire condetteri and offer to hire out armies as condetteri yourself.

I wouldn't say MN is for everybody but i've found it a very useful dlc

 

[Chronicler]

Before buying MN I was concerned about the ai abusing condetteri but I am glad it doesn't. Remember you can also hire condetteri and offer to hire out armies as condetteri yourself.

I wouldn't say MN is for everybody but i've found it a very useful dlc

That's what I'm wondering about, my understanding is that I can only hire condottieri if I am offered them? I never seem to be? And once I got a pop-up for it, but didn't seem to be able to purchase the troops.

 

[Stephanos]

I've read a lot of history and I've never come across this concept in tribal societies, I mean I have read about how the Incas enslaved people and forced them to fight for them, but that's hardly the same thing.

Can you give examples of this in the Americas, Africa, Middle East and Asia?

This is in Europe, but the Hungarian tribes in the 9th century bascially rented themselves out to various lords. Like in the case of Arnulf of Carinthia, who rented them to fight against Berengar I of Italy. Not sure if this is what you are looking for.

 

[CMDR_HERNE]

You'll will get an alert when a country is wishing to hire out condetteri.

 

[fabius]

The zero price condetteri is an intended war subsidies function. Think of it like they're renting them condetteri for like 10d/month, and then giving them subsidies for 10d/month. And keep in mind players can do this too, for instance if you want to help hungary or byzantium with the ottomans early, or you can help england a bit in the 100 years war as austria or castille/aragon to weaken france.

It doesn't happen often unless you made a lot of people very angry. And countries that have truces can't rent them to your enemies.


Everyone has bought armies from other countries through the entirety of history, it's just named after the German mercenaries the same way Italian states can use galloglaigh style infantry even though they aren't scotland.

Thanks all, I am reassured that it's not an AI, OP exploit.

I guess that's a good way of thinking about it.