Just one advanced government type per base type?

[eddyill]

another thing Illuminated Technocracy should be renamed Enlightened Technocracy to sound even better...

i would also prefer another name for Mega Corporation, like Corporate Congress or something better sounding...

Agree with you on both these names, they sound more like the names a government would give to itself

 

[Caspoi]

"Despotic" Hegemony... and the description of it clearly says it sees its citizens as cogs in a machine. and you can't have individualism with it. And the Enlightened Monarchy has the same issue with individualism and you need to take pacifism to get it. So that one isn't working at all.

Sorry, I meant the despotic empire.

 

[Sapidianus]

That likely has nothing to do with Despotic Hegemony and is simply the unique government form for the Robot uprising faction. I imagine the other endgame threats have their own government types as well.

Wrong, it could be a result of a robot uprising, but not a global endgame one.

 

[Amor_Fati]

Maybe the Friend Computer is the result of a Blorg uplifiting the primitives at Sol III... And the color scheme (from infrared to UV) is some sort of how the Blorg need us to be to be recognized as more "friend-worthy" than the others?

 

[Sellt]

Sorry, I meant the despotic empire.

The despotic empire almost forces you to take slaves or else you almost get no boni from this government form.

 

[Caspoi]

The despotic empire almost forces you to take slaves or else you almost get no boni from this government form.

You still get two, and your question was about whether there existed non-enlightened monarchies whcih could in some possible way be construed as "good", not whether choosing this government would be the most beneficial for your play-style.

If you want Another example the divine mandate monarchies re not necessarily bad, just as despotic empires are not necessarily bad. The only people that might be worse of with this government than others are unbelievers (who are not represented in the game mind you) but all other would be perfectly fine with it.

 

[Sellt]

You still get two, and your question was about whether there existed non-enlightened monarchies whcih could in some possible way be construed as "good", not whether choosing this government would be the most beneficial for your play-style.

If you want Another example the divine mandate monarchies re not necessarily bad, just as despotic empires are not necessarily bad. The only people that might be worse of with this government than others are unbelievers (who are not represented in the game mind you) but all other would be perfectly fine with it.

Yeah but the despotic empire has clearly slavery.. which cannot construed as good.... despotic empire is clearly on the evil side of the scale. i give you the divine mandate as a non bad empire.

And i also stated later that i'm looking for a non-pacifist empire that isn't bad.

 

[Caspoi]

Yeah but the despotic empire has clearly slavery.. which cannot construed as good.... despotic empire is clearly on the evil side of the scale. i give you the divine mandate as a non bad empire.

And i also stated later that i'm looking for a non-pacifist empire that isn't bad.

But do they have to practice slavery? I take it they just get a bonus if doing so, meaning that while mayby not the most optimal choice it would still be possible to play as a non-slavery practicing despotic empire.

 

[nweismuller]

But do they have to practice slavery? I take it they just get a bonus if doing so, meaning that while mayby not the most optimal choice it would still be possible to play as a non-slavery practicing despotic empire.

They also get a building cost discount which seems fairly non-trivial, and should help for developing planets. It seems likely that Despotic Empire should be able to be run as 'relatively moderate traditional monarchy', if that's your cup of tea. Even their unique prestige project is more defensive in character, letting you build formidable space castles in spaaaaace rather than massive warships of doom or shock legions of terror.

If anything, Divine Mandate seems worse than Despotic Empire by default, since both its advantages are basically 'your people will endure greater deprivations in war or serfdom because your PR claims you have divine backing'.

 

[Ezumiyr]

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

This is not a case of "Oh there's only two governments per starting type, boring"
It's a case of "Oh there's 15*2=30 types of government, ooo, diverse"

You're at a restaurant and you've got 15 choices, each of which comes with main and dessert.
It is missing the point to complain "This sux I only get 2 courses give me some choice".
The choice comes in picking one of the 15, not one of the 2.

Except that at the restaurant I prefer to make all choices at the beginning, then I can enjoy my dish without having to think about my next choice.
In a game, I prefer when I have choices to make during the game.

Making a choice between 15 government systems at the beginning is less interesting than choosing between 5 government systems at start, then having the choice between two possibilities each time. It's a bit like in Fire Emblem or some MMOs with branched class systems - there is a peculiar pleasure in planning the choice you'll make for your characters, that you can't find if you could only pick one class at the beginning of the game.
And the feeling of building your empire is stronger when it depends on choices you make while playing than if it comes from decisions you made at the beginning of the game.

It's true that 15 is already a lot, though.

 

[Oscot]

You do know you can choose to change your government type to another one of the 15 at literally any* time, right?

* May be locked during war, idk. FIGURATIVELY any time.

 

[NekomimiMaiden]

Alternately define your "slavery" as a caste system with your untouchables for 'unclean' work - farming and mining - and your elites for research and energy. You still have to click an 'enslave' button, but it might be more palatable to imagine it as such.

 

[Sellt]

Alternately define your "slavery" as a caste system with your untouchables for 'unclean' work - farming and mining - and your elites for research and energy. You still have to click an 'enslave' button, but it might be more palatable to imagine it as such.

I already will go with the "imagine" part (but another government type). But its still not really the same isn't it? At least now i have a reason to look into modding...