So in other words if an accepted culture nation has a core there there is no assimilation?. No thanks.
Just managed to turn Nigeria Catholic and Portugese in around 15 years. Culture imba?
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So in other words if an accepted culture nation has a core there there is no assimilation?. No thanks.
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Read me again. It should take a long time, i.e. 30, 50 and even 80 years in certain specific cases, but assimilation would take place in the end.
Read me again. It should take a long time, i.e. 30, 50 and even 80 years in certain specific cases, but assimilation would take place in the end.
I guess, the cultural change is slightly to fast and to cheap. However I guess change was possible - if not, how comes that there is a france, an Italy and so on. If culture is viewed as not beeing in opposition to the government on cultural basis rather than a borg-like assimilation it is understandable.
From the game point of view slightly more costs should do the trick. To my fellow demo-users: Your cultural exploits made you backwards - it is just that the short time did not make you feel the pain. How many ideas coulkd you have gotten instead?
From the game point of view slightly more costs should do the trick. To my fellow demo-users: Your cultural exploits made you backwards - it is just that the short time did not make you feel the pain. How many ideas coulkd you have gotten instead?
There shouldn't be a reason to convert. There were only a handful of examples of intentional government conversion of culture, and those were in cases where a region was depopulated and settlers could be brought in to take up vacant land. Aside from that, mass cultural conversion wasn't something governments did in the Early Modern Period and it shouldn't be something we do in the game.
What I think should be done is that it should require a colonist to flip culture. Also, changing the culture of a non overseas province should bring a fair amount of expansion penalty to relations. Otherwise, the cost and time can remain about the same, and requiring a colonist would make it a pretty bad choice in most situations.
It's things like this that make me really wish we had a Victoria-style population system. It'd make cultural/religious conversion work so, so much better.
Or needlessly convoluted...
dharper's Dei Gratia mod handled the religious conversion best imo. Religious minorities in a province were represented as province modifiers. When you successfully convert a province, it creates a small minority of your own religion that granted some small bonuses. Eventually they get to be province religion but the old province religion still existed as a province modifier granting small maluses. (depending on your tolerance levels of course) And you could have more than one minority community in a province.
Still a bit convoluted, but it added a lot to immersion without needing to display exact percentages of a minority in a pie chart like Victoria does.
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I left off several of my provinces with wrong culture. After all, what is the difference? Intolerance and the malus seem to come from wrong religion.
Is there any disadvantage that makes it worthwhile to change culture?
Is there any disadvantage that makes it worthwhile to change culture?
Less revolt risk for you, more revolt risk to the previous owner if it ever manages to retake the province.
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A rather hilarious example could very well happen if two powers fight regularly for a certain province, whice changes hands several times over the course of the game. If enough times passes, you could potentially have a situation where the population in province X flips to culture A, then flips back to B, and again to A, etc
After I cored and converted the religion in provinces, I didn't have any more problems with revolt risk (although I didn't check the modifiers).
But if it's an accepted culture, are there any reasons? I don't think that accepted culture have any negatives.
It's way, way too easy to convert culture. Or rather, it's too cheap and too fast.
Full realism may not really be required but spending a single decade to convert a province is so little that it seems absurd (and therefore immersion-breaking) regardless of whether it represents ruling class or everyone. I'd say 25-50 years would be far more reasonable even if still quite a bit too fast for realism.
There is also the issue that very few nations even attempted to do this in real life. Sure this game is about changing history, but maybe there is a reason they didn't do it back then. Maybe it was, I don't know.. DIFFICULT and COSTLY? In my opinion, changing province culture should be sufficiently expensive that it'd almost never be worth it. It'd be an option but not something you'd do often. It should be rare, mostly done out of principle or to switch an especially strategically important province.
Full realism may not really be required but spending a single decade to convert a province is so little that it seems absurd (and therefore immersion-breaking) regardless of whether it represents ruling class or everyone. I'd say 25-50 years would be far more reasonable even if still quite a bit too fast for realism.
There is also the issue that very few nations even attempted to do this in real life. Sure this game is about changing history, but maybe there is a reason they didn't do it back then. Maybe it was, I don't know.. DIFFICULT and COSTLY? In my opinion, changing province culture should be sufficiently expensive that it'd almost never be worth it. It'd be an option but not something you'd do often. It should be rare, mostly done out of principle or to switch an especially strategically important province.
I personally think if africa it should be practically impossible to change culture. I mean look how long europeon powers settled in Africa with even better methods of cultural change and the europeon population is only a fraction.
It doesn't need to be anywhere near as complex as Victoria's, and even in Victoria you could to a large extent take a hands-off approach to your POPs. But I'd personally be perfectly okay with these games getting maybe 20-30% more complex(even though I'll grant that it'd cost them sales on net), and a dramatically simplified POP system that just has number/religion/culture that ties into military manpower, culture/religion, rebellion, and good production/consumption seems like a plausible addition. And hey, it'd also let the EU5-Vicky 3 converter work way more easily.
The reason it was so easy in the Americas is that Eurasian diseases absolutely shattered the existing social orders. Population loss was about 90% in some places, it was insane. Also, the Americas were vastly behind technologically. Africa was already exposed to them, and already had access to at least the more basic technologies, so the Europeans didn't get to play on easy mode.
With all the feedback from the Demo.
I wouldn't be surprised if the release had some numbers changed to help deal with some of the conversion rates or add in a good deal of events where colonies over X many decades will have events where revolts happen even if they are "converted".
Or we will see Paradox do a patch/tweak to fix some of these issues like they have done in CK2, patching it.
If anyone things the tweaks will come from a DLC,...they have already stated that they are looking at the CK2 DLC model where there is DLC but the mechanics (ex CK2 tech mechanic change) will be patches for everyone/free.
I wouldn't be surprised if the release had some numbers changed to help deal with some of the conversion rates or add in a good deal of events where colonies over X many decades will have events where revolts happen even if they are "converted".
Or we will see Paradox do a patch/tweak to fix some of these issues like they have done in CK2, patching it.
If anyone things the tweaks will come from a DLC,...they have already stated that they are looking at the CK2 DLC model where there is DLC but the mechanics (ex CK2 tech mechanic change) will be patches for everyone/free.
What did Paradox base cultural conversion on exactly? Because it certainly wasn't history. After the medieval ages there really wasn't much culture assimilation going on.
Yeah - in Finland. Deeply inhabited region, that one.
And EVEN THEN, assimilation was mostly restricted to the coastal area nearest to Åland.Really, both CK2 and EU4 have an absurdly high rate of assimilation, when in truth it happened very rarely and in very specific situations. The whole system should be scrapped and, if they still had provincial decisions, those would work better. Pity, they don't.