Jungle INCREASES combat efficiency?

[unmerged(23946)]

Whenever I fight in any jungle terrain, I always notice that my normal infantry gain a bonus for fighting in the jungle. This is when they are on the OFFENSIVE. The bonus is usually around 5%. I don't have every jungle tech, but even if I did, why would I gain a bonus for attacking in the jungle with normal infantry?

 

[Black Lotus]

Maybe (Just Maybe) you have jungle warfare equipment and such and your opponet doesn't.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

In standard HOI there is only one jungle tech:

application = { # Jungle Warfare Equipment id = 1106
command = { type = jungle_attack which = infantry value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_defense which = infantry value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_attack which = motorized value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_defense which = motorized value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_attack which = bergsjaeger value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_defense which = bergsjaeger value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_attack which = paratrooper value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_defense which = paratrooper value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_attack which = marine value = 20 }
command = { type = jungle_defense which = marine value = 20 }

Without this tech Inf attack start out with -15 while marines are 10 better. Motor Pz and Mech inf are -50 in jungle but motor improves to -30 attack while Pz and Mech get no benefit.

Jungle defense starts at 30 for all units including Pz except for marines which are at 50.

 

[unmerged(18043)]

That's weird but I'll definatly use Marines from now on in the jungle

 

[CGS]

It is not so strange. They are used to fight with water all around, with all their equipment wet, and I think that in a tropical jungle there is a lot of water everywhere.
(Why I always try to find a logical explanation for everything?)

 

[unmerged(23946)]

Well I can understand marines maybe, but normal infantry? Going on the offensive? If they can fight with a bonus in jungles, why don't they get bonuses when attacking in a forest?

 

[CGS]

Maybe in a forest it is not so important to have a good equipment, and in the jungle it makes a big difference. You can even use some caracteristics of that terrain in order to defeat your enemy, if you are prepared to do that. If you have that jungle tech, this explanation may be a good one. Of course, I'm not an expert, so it can just be a bug, or something like that. In fact, I have no idea.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

Well I can understand marines maybe, but normal infantry? Going on the offensive? If they can fight with a bonus in jungles, why don't they get bonuses when attacking in a forest?

INF vs Mountain: ** indicate different values (from a spreadsheet that I set up which doesn't translate well into this forum)

mountain_attack = -40 **mountain_attack = 25
hill_attack = -10 **hill_attack = 25
forest_attack = -10 ** forest_attack = 25

jungle_attack = 5 jungle_attack = 5
swamp_attack = -15 swamp_attack = -15
urban_attack = -15 urban_attack = -15
river_attack = 35 river_attack = 35

There are standand terrain modifiers in HOI plus some techs like artic and jungle and desert fighting that add more for unique environments. I guess that no one though that anything specific for fighting in forest and hills was developed for ordinary inf in WW2.

You can find these values in your savegame file if you open them with a wordprocesser. The files are huge. Search for your country by searching for either a military leader or a minister. Then search for _attack.

There's a lot of other interesting info like province AA values also in the saved file for each country.

 

[Henry v. Keiper]

It is not so strange. They are used to fight with water all around, with all their equipment wet, and I think that in a tropical jungle there is a lot of water everywhere.

Come now, that sounds a bit stretched...

So if I mopped the floor the marines could fight BETTER than with a dry floor?

 

[mesut]

So if I mopped the floor the marines could fight BETTER than with a dry floor?

HUUAAAH. This one is funny! :rofl:

 

[unmerged(20852)]

I think the marines just enjoy a hot, wet, and moist environment better than infantry.

 

[Spocky]

Have you noticed to bonus for the defending unit . If you have a jungle fight inf vs inf , the attacking unit gains +5% but the defending gains +50% bonus while a tank has a malus of -40% if attaking an +20% if defending.

I think infs get the bonus , becaouse the can use the advantages of the terrain while a tank in the jungle only makes noise. That Marines are even better is also logical. They know such tarrain even better

Spocky