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The first one i can see in-game as being possible under the right light, but the second doesn't matter in-game because of the game-mechanics. Its like giving cusader to a muslim.Captain Frakas said:
high pieous leaders should have events more often to release them from these bad traits...
Maybe, but something like being excommunicated isn't exactly a pious thing....Spruce said:
Jinnai said:
he he, you are right, but still it's better then a excommunicated devil that gives nothing to the church
:wacko: technically shouldn't by default church donations cease if your excommunicated, reguardless of your religious laws?
Actually piety should not be able to be gained as long as your excommunicated imo, but atleast that would help.
Actually piety should not be able to be gained as long as your excommunicated imo, but atleast that would help.
This is the 2nd time in my game the scale factor from triggered events has been screwy. I was offered by a knight to teach my son. I opted to spend 3 years of my income (1.5 duncats) as Count of Sutherland, and only Sutherland, to raise his martial up by 1 (50% chance).
It worked, but i ended up spending over 30 years of income, 50.36 duncats, when i should have spent 4.5 duncats or there abouts. Again nothing unusal in reguards to cashflow or reloading had occured for several years.
It worked, but i ended up spending over 30 years of income, 50.36 duncats, when i should have spent 4.5 duncats or there abouts. Again nothing unusal in reguards to cashflow or reloading had occured for several years.
How on earth you have *yearly* income of 1.5 ducats? I would assume you have monthly income 1.5, which would make 36 * 1.5 = 54. Which would be quite close. Yearly income 1.5 would be monthly income of about 0.1, right?
Excommed and Heretic people are royally screwed already, should they lose their piety too?
Papal Controller excommunicates rulers AI considers as it's enemies. Humans seem to be considered more critical enemies than other AI, so PC prefers excomming human over AI if given the choice. But it's not random.
Excommed and Heretic people are royally screwed already, should they lose their piety too?
Papal Controller excommunicates rulers AI considers as it's enemies. Humans seem to be considered more critical enemies than other AI, so PC prefers excomming human over AI if given the choice. But it's not random.
Sorry, but then its quite high for a count. 54 duncats were not made during my entire life of my 1st ruler and he ruled from 29-71. Its especially a lot for counts consdiering its not even guaranteed.Byakhiam said:
Perhaps not heretic people, but excommunicated people are by definition "removed from god's grace" or "removed from the link to god" and thus no matter what they do, they can never while excommunicated gain piety which is not only how virtuous you are, but how much your closeness to god is in the earthly life.Byakhiam said:
This perhaps should be tweaked then. It makes playing as a count on the most diffcult level impossible wihich shouldn't be.Byakhiam said:
Jinnai said:
Well, I normally play only on normal difficulty level, but it's rare for me to have income less than 0.5 gold monthly for even a count with just one "as poor as possible" province. With even base income 0.60 province you should be making about 0.5 gold monthly if your ruler + steward stewardship is 10. Having the combined value below that is rare for me. Rich one-prov counts (say, Pfalz) make 5 ducats monthly easy.
Jinnai said:
I know, I know, but since Excommed people are screwed bad already, why should they be even more screwed by constantly losing piety (which after all affects BB reduction) too? From gameplay pov?
Jinnai said:
Let me correct you, it makes playing a count living near PC on highest difficulty level extremely challenging. Getting excommed isn't the end of the world, especially not for a count, who doesn't have vassals to worry about.
Not to mention, playing as weakest tier ruler on highest difficulty setting should always be extremely challenging really.
I haven't been posting at all, but I really appreciate the work of all the programmers who have made CK a much more stable and enjoyable game!
I particularly enjoy the new realm disruption events as they actually make the game challenging. I have one question about them though. If you are a one province count and you happen to conquer a much richer distant province should your capital move to the richer province or should it stay in the poor province that previously was your capital. When I play my capital does not seem to move and I have to intentionally lose it to a non-Christian in order to get my capital to move. Is this WAD?
I particularly enjoy the new realm disruption events as they actually make the game challenging. I have one question about them though. If you are a one province count and you happen to conquer a much richer distant province should your capital move to the richer province or should it stay in the poor province that previously was your capital. When I play my capital does not seem to move and I have to intentionally lose it to a non-Christian in order to get my capital to move. Is this WAD?
IIRC, Florian, capital tends to be "sticky", preferring to remain in the richest province of your religion and culture, then religion or culture, and then finally just the richest available. You can givve your capital to a vassal to force it to move, you don't have to let it get overrun.
Pode said:
I've been playing as Count of Capua and although I've tried, I'm unable to give my capital away to anyone (the option simply isn't available). I've also tried giving the newly acquired province to my heir to make it his capital, but when my ruler dies the heir's capital reverts to Capua leaving me back in the same situation.
Florian said:
Well the count of Capua should have his capital in Capua I guess. And since the title count of Capua is your first and main title you can't give that away.
A capital will first of all always be in the lands that belong to your first main title. Only when you have no more lands in your demesne it will switch to a county outside your first maintitle. Since your first main title is count of Capua, it will stay in Capua.
Become a duchy (Benevento?) and you can move your capital.
Would it be possible to prevent 1-province realms from having trouble like criminal events and revolts etc.? When I conquered Palestine to create the Kingdom of Jerusalem there several of the newly conquered provinces fell into revolts immediately (probably due to the fact that I played as Apulia - so my core empire was far away). So far, so good - in my own provinces I can handle that....although it is a bit annoying sometimes.
But much worse is it now for the templar and hospitaler order which got created there via event, those two realms were practically shut down from the start, since then they are nearly constantly in revolt. It's going on for decades now, and the Ai seems to be unable to do something about it.
Other things I don't understand: quite often I conquer a province, and one of my vassals gets it, since he commanded the army there. But why does then the "controlled by...." sign appear then? I mean it shows a province of my vassal "controlled by Kingdom of Jerusalem (me)" - but of course I'm in peace with my vassals. I think I don't had the same effect under the previous beta (although I played it just for some days, then upgraded to the 3rd june beta).
Another rather annoying element was when two of my vassals went to war with eachother, but did nothing .... they had their regiments mobilized, but noone tried to conquer the other, although they had neighboring provinces, and one side had more than twice as much men. They kept their forces mobilized for years, until I decided that it's enough, revoked the titles of one side, and wiped them out when they refused to give something back.
But much worse is it now for the templar and hospitaler order which got created there via event, those two realms were practically shut down from the start, since then they are nearly constantly in revolt. It's going on for decades now, and the Ai seems to be unable to do something about it.
Other things I don't understand: quite often I conquer a province, and one of my vassals gets it, since he commanded the army there. But why does then the "controlled by...." sign appear then? I mean it shows a province of my vassal "controlled by Kingdom of Jerusalem (me)" - but of course I'm in peace with my vassals. I think I don't had the same effect under the previous beta (although I played it just for some days, then upgraded to the 3rd june beta).
Another rather annoying element was when two of my vassals went to war with eachother, but did nothing .... they had their regiments mobilized, but noone tried to conquer the other, although they had neighboring provinces, and one side had more than twice as much men. They kept their forces mobilized for years, until I decided that it's enough, revoked the titles of one side, and wiped them out when they refused to give something back.
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In my game several times a Byzantine duchy has broken away, the Empire has conquerred its demesne but no peace treaty has been signed.
Also the Norwegians allied with the Hungarians then when the Hungarians went to war with the Cumans (who had vassalized the Pechenegs) the heathens grabbed 8 Norwegian provinces and might have overrun the whole country if my Scots hadn't landed in their rear. May I suggest that the ai be discouraged from forming long range alliances where there is no potential common enemy and that anyone other than crusading Catholics be stopped from making naval journeys of more than moderate length.
Also the Norwegians allied with the Hungarians then when the Hungarians went to war with the Cumans (who had vassalized the Pechenegs) the heathens grabbed 8 Norwegian provinces and might have overrun the whole country if my Scots hadn't landed in their rear. May I suggest that the ai be discouraged from forming long range alliances where there is no potential common enemy and that anyone other than crusading Catholics be stopped from making naval journeys of more than moderate length.
Byakhiam said:I know, I know, but since Excommed people are screwed bad already, why should they be even more screwed by constantly losing piety (which after all affects BB reduction) too? From gameplay pov?[/quote[Actually, i've seen very few excommunicated rulers ousted, killed or whatnot. They just rule as happy as ever. Most often this is kings, but even dukes and counts. The only thing that happens is people grab claims and file their documents in a chest and toss it into their deepest darkest dungeon and fill it with mortar.
Oh no, I don't disagree it shouldn't be challenging. What i'm saying is the pope shouldn't excom you if your the county of Moray just because its cheaper. He should start with those right next to him, the easiest to do, and yes, in that circumstance, a pc is defintalty a good target i'd not object at all being exommed first then.Byakhiam said:
The other is that some random german count shouldn't be grabbing my title as count of moray either. He really would have no idea i was excommunicated unless i married into his family or his liege's family or something, but then why am i, count of Moray going that far from the birish isles to find a bride?
2 things i noticed:
1. Intrigue of Spymaster does not seem to affect your effiency. I had a ruler with 4 intrigue as count and 2 counties and a spymaster with 11 intrigue. My spymaster died and my effeciency was...96%. Its not a matter of it not being a big enough differance since my son had 8 intrigue and 100% effeciency.
2. It is nigh impossible for a count who has no CoJ and gets a thieves guild to build one and get rid of it, but possible sometimes. However, getting a smuggling ring (highly likely) makes that nigh impossible and getting a highway robbery band (very likely by this time) and you might as well just quit because you will, if you never got off the ground to begin with, never get off the ground...ever.
1. Intrigue of Spymaster does not seem to affect your effiency. I had a ruler with 4 intrigue as count and 2 counties and a spymaster with 11 intrigue. My spymaster died and my effeciency was...96%. Its not a matter of it not being a big enough differance since my son had 8 intrigue and 100% effeciency.
2. It is nigh impossible for a count who has no CoJ and gets a thieves guild to build one and get rid of it, but possible sometimes. However, getting a smuggling ring (highly likely) makes that nigh impossible and getting a highway robbery band (very likely by this time) and you might as well just quit because you will, if you never got off the ground to begin with, never get off the ground...ever.
Jinnai said:
Remember that the Pope doesn't excommunicate you, the Papal Controller does. I've never seen Controller Tuscany excommunicate anyone in France or Spain, not to mention Scotland. But if the Controller is king of England, certainly he'll excommunicate Moray, since Moray is the terrific beast called player. But king of England would not excommunicate count of Capua, unless one of them is horribly displaced to live near the other. So I don't see why it's working undesirably.
Jinnai said:The other is that some random german count shouldn't be grabbing my title as count of moray either. He really would have no idea i was excommunicated unless i married into his family or his liege's family or something, but then why am i, count of Moray going that far from the birish isles to find a bride?
I don't usually see people grabbing claims that far either. Besides in my experience in latest patches, excommunication is hardly the grabfest of 1.04a times. Bishop of Parma starts the game excommunicated, but nobody grabs his title.