June 3 BETA PATCH: GENERAL FEEDBACK

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The one silver lining in the situation.

Indeed. And it sheds some light on a few things that I've noticed occasionally and found a bit surprising, but haven't been able to identify their source.

The bugger of all of this is that it would appear that there are only a small number of exceptions that are bugged, so even a fairly thorough test of something wouldn't pick it up. I ended up having to force test those conditions one by one to find the one that was returning false, and then manually trigger for several hundred provinces to identify them. A good way to chew through half-a-day's time that was originally intended for other CK work. Oh well, perhpas some noticable good will come of it.

 

[Damocles]

Indeed. And it sheds some light on a few things that I've noticed occasionally and found a bit surprising, but haven't been able to identify their source.

The bugger of all of this is that it would appear that there are only a small number of exceptions that are bugged, so even a fairly thorough test of something wouldn't pick it up. I ended up having to force test those conditions one by one to find the one that was returning false, and then manually trigger for several hundred provinces to identify them. A good way to chew through half-a-day's time that was originally intended for other CK work. Oh well, perhpas some noticable good will come of it.

We really appreciate the effort, MrT. Or at least, I do. That sounds like a rather tough hang.

 

[Lucius Sulla]

Indeed. And it sheds some light on a few things that I've noticed occasionally and found a bit surprising, but haven't been able to identify their source.

The bugger of all of this is that it would appear that there are only a small number of exceptions that are bugged, so even a fairly thorough test of something wouldn't pick it up. I ended up having to force test those conditions one by one to find the one that was returning false, and then manually trigger for several hundred provinces to identify them. A good way to chew through half-a-day's time that was originally intended for other CK work. Oh well, perhpas some noticable good will come of it.

Ugh... and this is my fault .

Don't worry Mr.T, I'm a programmer myself and know this kind of things happen all the time. As Damocles said, we really rather appreciate the effort.

 

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Ugh... and this is my fault .

Not something to be sad about at all.

You noticed something happening that shouldn't be. I responded by saying that it couldn't happen (since I'd testing with it prior ro implementation) and then you categorically stated that it had. So I set out (like any good programmer) to conclusively prove you wrong and ended up finding out that you weren't. After that little shocker, I set out to try to find out why it wasn't working in this one instance since I knew 100% that I had tested it and that it was working perfectly. Hours of rigorous testing later, I now know roughly what is happening and where it is happening; but I don't know exactly why it's happening (I don't have that part of the source code) nor have I identified any pattern in the very rare cases when it is happening when it shouldn't. All I can do is compile a detailed report to save Johan the time, and then dump it in his lap and then let him do what he's best at....fixing things.

It isn't the most entertaining way to spend half a day, but it's productive. I'm just a little disappointed that the time I'd hoped to put into scripting new events ended up being spent in intense bug-hunting. I'll get over it.

 

[Eldin]

i gave u proof of that would like to see yours. Run a search in google

dictionary.com doesn't know basiley, but know basileus (stating the latter to be ruler of the eastern roman empire), and basiley sounds rather slavonic to me too :S

Basileus literally translates as king I think. But Emperor would be more appropriate.

 

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Isn't it nice to be guaranteed a beatification before you die?

 

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Wierd...

I've only had it fire once and while the province in question was quite close, it has been only the 1 time in over 100 years of gameplay.

I can live with that.

 

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Another thing in my weird game today.

I had one of my provinces in revolt and under seige after the fore-mentioned event occured (mine was apporpiatly so though). However, the peasants ended up starving in the middle of the seige and were just wanting to go back to their normal everyday lives. Now i was kind enough to even help plant their fields again (while my castle is still under siege BTW) and continued to be so, without any backing.

This event should either end the seige or check and see if i am under siege and not fire with the option to help them get a head start or levy taxes on them because i'd have no power to do so.

 

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Another thing in my weird game today.

I had one of my provinces in revolt and under seige after the fore-mentioned event occured (mine was apporpiatly so though). However, the peasants ended up starving in the middle of the seige and were just wanting to go back to their normal everyday lives. Now i was kind enough to even help plant their fields again (while my castle is still under siege BTW) and continued to be so, without any backing.

This event should either end the seige or check and see if i am under siege and not fire with the option to help them get a head start or levy taxes on them because i'd have no power to do so.

Could you add a post to the event fix thread to remind me to look at that when I am next able to spend a little time on CK (hoping for a few hours tomorrow or Wednesday).

 

[Riddermark]

dictionary.com doesn't know basiley, but know basileus (stating the latter to be ruler of the eastern roman empire), and basiley sounds rather slavonic to me too :S

Basileus literally translates as king I think. But Emperor would be more appropriate.

ok no point in discussing it further it wont be changed anyway. However what was said in the books (i still like books more than websites ) - it mentions that the Eastern roman emperor stopped using the title emperor for basileus (which sounds and is greek, so it doesnt seem to be slavonic) - so the Pope in rome gives the "Vacant" title of "emperor" to the western european countries.

 

[ambrox62]

Is THIS something useful for modders inside a future beta ?

 

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Should Palermo be considered "too far" (provinces too far away events) when you're king of Naples?
KOB

 

[Damocles]

Should Palermo be considered "too far" (provinces too far away events) when you're king of Naples?
KOB

If a king's capital is in Palermo, there should be problems in the boot of Italy. If your king's capital is in the boot of Italy, there should be problems in Sicily.

Thats how it played out for every ruler of the two there ever was. From King Roger I through the notorious rebellions suffered by William the Bad, down to King Charles who lost it to King Peter of Aragon after the Sicilian Vespers revolt.

 

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If a king's capital is in Palermo, there should be problems in the boot of Italy. If your king's capital is in the boot of Italy, there should be problems in Sicily.

Thats how it played out for every ruler of the two there ever was. From King Roger I through the notorious rebellions suffered by William the Bad, down to King Charles who lost it to King Peter of Aragon after the Sicilian Vespers revolt.

Just making sure this was intended....

Question. Can something be done about the Pope excomunicating anything it can. I notice that the Pope will simply excomunicate anyone its prestige allows it. Without any real reason.
Couldn't it be based on something like being a heretic, bastard or something like that?
KOB

 

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Pope is epsecially prone in excommunicating Venetian Doge. This is a great exploit as then you can have the titles "King of Venice" and the county of Venice basically for free. For mere 35-40 prestige you can get a claim and if you have enough men to fight them al(this is really easy for any kingdom or greater duchy) you can get the richest province on the map.

 

[Third Angel]

Question. Can something be done about the Pope excomunicating anything it can. I notice that the Pope will simply excomunicate anyone its prestige allows it. Without any real reason.
Couldn't it be based on something like being a heretic, bastard or something like that?

I started three games as count of Capua and got excommuniated three times in the first two years. Once I noticed that the bishop of Parma was too. We were both neighbours to Matilda of Canosa, the papal controller, but she didn't lay any claim upon our land because she didn't have enough prestige for that.
So my question is: is the AI papal controller designed to randomly excommuniate his neighbours as soon as the Pope gets enough prestige? If so, I agree that some more logic should be introduced in the current system.

 

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Then again, what do you do with the pope as papal controller if you have enough prestige? I'm sure you excommunicate people you want to get claims on easily and go to war or excommunicate someone in line to the throne so you can inherit. Seems kind of like your saying the AI shouldn't be doing what humans are.

The only thing i can see is they should be more centered around the papal controller than the pope. Atleast that would move them around somewhat.

 

[Third Angel]

Then again, what do you do with the pope as papal controller if you have enough prestige?

I tend to avoid being papal controller since I don't like having all my unmarried non-ecclesiastic male courtiers stolen from me to fill (arch)bishoprics all around Europe, which I think is stupid as I already told many times.

I'm sure you excommunicate people you want to get claims on easily and go to war or excommunicate someone in line to the throne so you can inherit. Seems kind of like your saying the AI shouldn't be doing what humans are.

Sure I do that but first I make sure I have enough prestige to grab the title and then I go to war. AI PC doesn't seem to be interested in claiming your land after having you excommuniated. He will just wait for the Pope to get enough prestige to excommuniate another neighbour.
So I repeat my first question: is the AI papal controller designed to randomly excommuniate his neighbours, even if it doesn't have enough prestige to make a grab, even if it isn't powerful enough enough to make a war, even if they share the same liege, even if it's a pious bishop, even if it will allow another neighbour to take the land easily before it can (as count of Capua I was finally dowed by the Duke of Apulia, not Matilda).
Because if so this is certainly not what humans are doing.

 

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If my ruler dies too and my court has too many adults in it i end up with siblings with only partial childhoods...sometimes as little as 1 trait, less even than those given via event to ai and non-child couriters.

 

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Another thing, on traits.

Why does ecommunicated and heretic not affect montly piety gains in any way, shape or form?