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This review of Seth Schwartz's Imperialism and Jewish Society : 200 B.C.E. to 640 C.E. Jews, Christians & Muslims from the Ancient to the Modern World. might offer some interesting context to the interesting state of Judaism throughout the period. It challenged and reviewed quite a few of the old ideas regarding the "strength" of Judaism throughout the game's timeframe, and how things changed over time. Its a bit of a read, but it should prove interesting context to this topic.
 
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As people already mentioned: Judaism back than and today are quite diffrent. The dominant jewish sects in the more recent centuries accept only inherited membership which means that your ancestors, mainly your mother had to be a jew, for you to be one. That changes today but wasn't a thing at all in the timeframe we think of. This had practical reasons, after all, how could some tiny backwater villages outgrow their non-jewish kanaanite neighbours? They converted quite a lot and especially in the time of the Hasmoneans did this quite often by force. After all they started with an area around Jerusalem and expanted their terretory vastly in regions that were dominantly non-jewish.
 
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There was no one judaism back then. No monolithic judaism we think of today, although there is not even one today. There was also no jewish society, but rather jewish societies, some of them were rather closed, not open for outsiders, others (usually in cities, especially in diaspora) had connections to non-jews and there were jews who sacrifized to foreign gods. There were people who convered to judaism, because some jews tried to convert people (not majority of jews tried that). The hasmonean dynasty appeared as a really religious ruling dynasty, but in reality they were also pragmatic, had friendly connections to non-jewish rulers and their society they ruled over was not monolithic either.
So there should be at some point of the game the possibility to decide, what kind of judaism you want to install? Tolerant, rather puritanical or pragmatic?
 
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Combined with +20% culture conversion speed from the direct modifier the religion gets, being Jewish is the best way to assimilate everyone on your path.
Except migrating tribes, who just insta-assimilate and -convert everyone to their culture/religion by a simply packing the tents in a territory...
 
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So as is often lamented by scholars of Roman history, we know very little about Slaves in the Empire, relative to Patricians. However, it is clear that Christianity was immensely popular with slaves which made up a good portion of the population. The slave population acted as a conduit for converting significant portions of the Roman citizenry over time, well before Constantine became Emperor.

If we know so little about slaves in the empire, then what is the basis for such specific claims about them? Also, what was the proportion of slaves in the Roman empire? The highest estimate I've seen is 15%, so even if 100% of them at that time were Christians, that's still a minority religion and still pretty close to the estimate I gave of 10% at most prior to the ascension of Constantine, but what evidence is there that literally 100% of slaves were Christian? Surely the unquantified claim of it being "immensely popular" among slaves isn't evidence for that; after all, if 50% (so 7.5% of the population at highest estimate) were Christian, it could be said that it was "immensely popular". Likewise, if it was a third (5%), a quarter (3.75%), or even a fifth (3%) of the slave population, it could still claim "immense popularity" among slaves, because the term "immensely popular" is relative and conditional. As to your last point here, the contention isn't that slaves had no role in spreading Christianity, it's that prior to the crisis of the third century the evidence we have indicates an insignificant Christian presence in the empire, and prior to the ascension of Constantine it had risen to at most 10%; not socially invisible anymore, but certainly a small, minor religion. It can simultaneously be true that slaves were a conduit for what conversion did happen prior to Constantine and his successors, and that Christianity amounted to only minor penetration of the Roman empire prior to Constantine.

Constantine's most cynical critics state that the only reason he made Christianity the state religion was because much of the power base was rapidly converting to Christianity...not some miracle he witnessed. It’s hard to believe that such a political and military mastermind would make such a weighty decision for the sake of 10% of the population.

I’m pretty sure Constantine also banned gladiatorial games due to the blood sport being incompatible with Christianity. Doesn’t seem like a wise move if only 10% of the population agrees.

As a final point, he did this with relatively little pushback.

To the first point, Constantine didn't make Christianity the state religion. He did, however, publicly favor Christianity and denounce paganism from the very beginning, financially support the Christian church, and sporadically close and even plunder pagan temples. He may even have banned public sacrifices at times, though there's some controversy over that in the scholarship. Were these relatively mild things? Yes, but they would have made clear that the imperial office, the highest in the land, favored Christianity and was hostile to non-Christians, which would drive conversion. This would only become rapidly more extreme as Constantine's successors would take the throne. Also, there's zero reason to suspect Constantine wasn't a sincere Christian, which means there doesn't need to be some political reason for him to convert - though there's no shortage of explanations for why he was a Christian, and it doesn't need to boil down to legends about a dream or miracle that he witnessed. His mother was a devout Christian, mind. At the end of the day, though, the question of why Constantine was a Christian or the sincerity of his Christian faith are neither important nor useful because it's all speculation and can't be used as evidence for Christian numbers.

As far as banning gladiatorial games, you do realize that they were controversial even among pagans, right? And finally, for him receiving relatively little pushback, I don't think you quite understand the position that Roman politics was in when Constantine took the throne. For decades, the Roman empire had been destabilizing and Roman emperors had been consolidating power in the imperial office as well as becoming increasingly despotic and iron-handed. By the time Constantine took power, the emperorship looked more like a military dictatorship and the civil governance was in tatters. That Constantine got away with this or that says something about the increasing centralization of imperial power and nothing about Christian numbers.

Jews were successful in Ethiopia and Yemen, Yemeni Jews still exist today and are likely one of the key influences for Mohammed's life

Okay then, what is the context behind the success of Judaism in Ethiopia and Yemen? Was it "bottom-up" or "top-down"? How thorough was it? Did an entire sovereign group "judaize"?

Christianity was popular in the East and some of the west. The east had far more population centres as well as more integrated trade routes and social mobility, and not to mention being close to Jerusalem. Yes Gaul and Brittania weren't very Christian at the time of Constantine's acclamation, but Christianity was of growing significance within the empire, and as always, if the influential believe it its irrelevant to what the majority believe.

That Christianity was more popular in the east than in the west doesn't negate the premise that it was insignificant prior to the crisis of the third century. Both can be true at the same time. I actually did state that Christianity was of growing significance within the empire at the ascension of Constantine, hence "essentially microscopic until around the middle of the third century... around 10% of the empire's population at the ascension of Constantine." Notice how they went from "essentially microscopic (insignificant)" to "10% (of minor significance)"? My contention is that there is zero reason to assume it would have become the majority religion of the empire (and no reason to assume it couldn't possibly have slipped back into irrelevancy later on) had Constantine and his successors not wielded state power to its benefit; rather, that Christians had gained control of the imperial state is precisely the reason it became the majority, and eventually sole, religious paradigm of the empire.
 
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So as is often lamented by scholars of Roman history, we know very little about Slaves in the Empire, relative to Patricians. However, it is clear that Christianity was immensely popular with slaves which made up a good portion of the population. The slave population acted as a conduit for converting significant portions of the Roman citizenry over time, well before Constantine became Emperor.

Constantine's most cynical critics state that the only reason he made Christianity the state religion was because much of the power base was rapidly converting to Christianity...not some miracle he witnessed. It’s hard to believe that such a political and military mastermind would make such a weighty decision for the sake of 10% of the population.

I’m pretty sure Constantine also banned gladiatorial games due to the blood sport being incompatible with Christianity. Doesn’t seem like a wise move if only 10% of the population agrees.

As a final point, he did this with relatively little pushback.
I would add that one cultural norm for Roman patricians and equestrians alike was delegating the education of their children to... Greek slaves. Christianity also was reasonably popular among the soldiery (as of course were all sects and cults), thus familiar to their cohort commanders (tribunes) and legates through their adult life. It follows that positive feedback mechanisms already may have been operational for a couple of centuries - to the point that much elite resistance may have been largely diluted by the fourth century.

OT, the character in Imperator that most reminds me of Constantine, in respect of his instinct for religious matters, is Seleukos ;)
 

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Source on mass conversions being the source for persecution? Jews using Alexander as a messiah, and some becoming very Hellenistic before the Maccabean revolt makes me think it was more the influence they held as money lenders and their monotheism
Do you have a good source that discusses this cultural issue? Because I'd thought the Hellenization issue was the pretext, rather than the root cause, of the Maccabean episode.

[context: until now my impression (happy to be corrected or nuanced!) had been the Maccabean revolt started out as the usual oligarchical not-quite-uncivil-war between corrupt Temple families, who happened to be relatively Hellenized, and others. Followed by a successful disinformation campaign, aided by massive bribery, by the "losing" Temple faction against the Seleukid government to the effect that the "winners" were in a political revolt against the empire. After which the Seleukids intervened "by mistake" and against their own very rational and de-centralist imperial policy. Followed by Maccabean counter-propaganda successfully painting Seleukid policy as forced Hellenization and conversion... and the situation, as you'd expect. escalating out of control]
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Judaism doesn't get the deified ruler bonuses except for omen effects as an offset to starting with deified rulers, so they don't get the +60% conversion speed.
You do get the +60% conversion bonus but have to have an omen running. I think it may be a bug of sorts.
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