And don't forget that between 1601 and 1644 Jurchen armies were entirely composed of the Banners.
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Johan Twitter Teaser January 27th
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now that we have these kind of special units I wonder if the janissaries could be modelled that way too
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I'm hoping these purple units might represent exiled troops of destroyed nations/unaccepted cultures or foreign recruited troops. Hundreds of thousands of Irishmen fought in the armies of France, Spain, Austria, Poland, Russia, Sweden etc. all through the period!
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I find it intriguing that the banner army has 200 people (clearly, he has 6 banners - 4 of infantry and 2 of cavalry). Does it mean that the maximum size of a unit will be variable? Could the same be applied to mercenaries?
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Yay! Purple. Is best color. We need more purple in this game. One of the many things my best friend and I agree on is that you can never have too much purple.
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Johan? Hatred of blues? Le bleu and the blue lion from the north beg to differ.
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Sub-1,000-size regiments? 
Huh. Wonder if we'll see variable-size regiments elsewhere. Smaller artillery regiments has been floated before...
Thanks for posting @BjornB.
Huh. Wonder if we'll see variable-size regiments elsewhere. Smaller artillery regiments has been floated before...Thanks for posting @BjornB.
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Maybe they're like anti-mercs: you don't pay for them, but the number you can have at once is strictly limited. If so, I hope this isn't a Manchu/Qing-only feature; it'd be a nice way in general to give impoverished hordes some army. (Mechanically novel features that only apply to one country always look like a huge waste of resources to me.)
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How would banner armies make historical sense for non-Manchus? They didn't have a banner army political structure, at least the one which EU4 specifically references, which is clearly tied to the Manchu military system known as the Eight Banners.
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They'd have to be called something else, but the idea of a core body of loyal warriors from 'the khan's tribe/people' (as opposed to recruited from conquered lands) makes sense for hordes more generally, I think. What was unusual about the Eight Banners was the sheer scale and breadth of the organisation. But then if the Eight Banners are a large part of the entire Manchu/Qing army (even including many Han people), maybe they shouldn't be a special unit type, but rather a global bonus to the military? Maybe they should be an Estate, like the Cossacks? It depends what period of history the developers are trying to model.
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The placement of "The age of Discovery" feels annoying at first glance. Hopefully it wont be.
Should cavalry and artillery regiments be smaller sizes? 500 and 200? Or 600 and 300?
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Artillery regiments, definitely. The raw numbers look silly.
Cavalry on the other hand doesn't seem particularly over-represented by having cavalry regiments of 1000 men. Cavalry was used in large quantities by many different armies throughout the era. Napoleon's Grande Armée was something like 15% cavalrymen - compare that with the proportion of cavalry regiments players typically field in the endgame.
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Is the 200 regiment purple colored ?
If it is I'm not seeing any difference, am colorblind though.
If it is I'm not seeing any difference, am colorblind though.
Please think of us poor colorblind gamers Purple=blue to many of us... I use this opportunity to request a colorblind mode (and yes, I already use the colorblind mod, but things like map modes, unit colors and political map colors are not moddable)
Purple=blue to many of us... I use this opportunity to request a colorblind mode (and yes, I already use the colorblind mod, but things like map modes, unit colors and political map colors are not moddable)
If we can extend this through modding, it'd be definitely cool to see special units like the guard units in European armies or something. I feel this has a real potential. I always found the military organization as it is a bit dull and boring... this will spice it up a bit if Paradox and/or modders can add more specialized units into armies of nations other than that of China/Manchu.
I also would love to see a possibility of adding unit experience, which Civ 4 had (not sure if Civ 5 or Civ 6 have this... don't remember). Experience would be gained through battles, which would make certain units valuable. Unit experience would, obviously, decay over the time, because there is no way experience can be retained without further battles or whatever as soldiers who had fought will eventually die off.
In short, the military organization in its entirety in EU4 (or EU5) really need some shake-up.
I also would love to see a possibility of adding unit experience, which Civ 4 had (not sure if Civ 5 or Civ 6 have this... don't remember). Experience would be gained through battles, which would make certain units valuable. Unit experience would, obviously, decay over the time, because there is no way experience can be retained without further battles or whatever as soldiers who had fought will eventually die off.
In short, the military organization in its entirety in EU4 (or EU5) really need some shake-up.
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Johan said at the end of the last DD that next week he would talk about "how awesome manchu is" or something like that so it should be exclusively manchurian mechanic
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