Johan, how much do you get to play?

[kurtbrian]

unless you go naval and plutocratic....

 

[unmerged(9191)]

Originally posted by SJG
I think the ships being nigh-on unsinkable might be to offset the fact that they are so expensive. Would it really cost the yearly GDP of a small (say two or three provinces average provinces) country to build one warship? I have no idea, but it seems a little high. If they sunk too often having a reasonable sized navy could be very, very expensive.

Also true...But i think the navies are the only thing that resemble real life...well in terms of # of ships

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by Zander
Yes. I don't mind the randomness (well, I do, it drives me crazy, but it makes sense), but battle losses are way too low in naval combats. So far as I recall, it was not unheard of for ships in the Middle Ages to be able to sink other ships from time to time, whereas most naval battles in EU2 pass without a single ship going beneath the waves.

Yes and no, the later you get in the game, more naval losses there are. Playing Denmark a lot, I can't tell you how many times i've sent entire German Minors navies to the bottom in one battle at half maintenance, no to mention a Swedish navy here and there.

*edit* Also there was one MP game in about 1580 as Denmark I was at war with England, in one battle I sunk about 35 of their warships for 7 if I remember correctly, lost of mine. 35 was their entire fleet in that seazone, I had 80+ participating.

 

[joak]

Originally posted by Gwalcmai
Which brings me to another point. Ships in EU2 seem almost unsinkable. In real life, I doubt any naval battle involving 20+ ships would end with no losses on either side. Ok, at least not until the ship-of-the-line tactics of the 18th century.

Well, there is the oft-repeated claim (hopefully not apocryphal, but I'm sure I'll hear it if it is) that not a single ship in the Spanish Armada was sunk by English gunfire--it was the journey back that took a heavy toll.

 

[Varyar]

Originally posted by joak
Well, there is the oft-repeated claim (hopefully not apocryphal, but I'm sure I'll hear it if it is) that not a single ship in the Spanish Armada was sunk by English gunfire--it was the journey back that took a heavy toll.

IIRC that's true for the first battle. However, later after the english had sent in their fireships and broken up the armada, it took quite a beating. But yes, the long way home hurt the armada as well.