Jihad and crusade triggers need to be changed!

[klopkr]

We've probably all played an early start in which Jihads trigger with a massive Abbasid blob in existence because there was a minor chiristian rebellion in tunis (or egypt in 867). Well this needs to change and here are my suggestions.

Suggestions:
1. Eqypt should not have a Jihad trigger in it until 900ish. (There are too much rebellion risk)
2. North africa should not have Jihda triggers until 867. (There are too much christian rebellion risk again)
3. Jihads/Crusades should always trigger the first Jihad/Crusade for the place that has triggered the Jihad/Crusade (Africa falls so Africa is the first Jihad, Italy falls so Italy is the first crusade etc... Otherwise it's always crusade for Jerusalem and jihad for Anatolia)
4. The crusader trait should only trigger if you have fought a battle
5. Jihads/Crusade weights need to be rebalanced (Eqypt and Africa over Anatolia always France and Germany and Italy over Jerusalem always)
6. The first few Crusades should not be called against unreformed pagans. (They're really not a threat)
If you have good suggestions please let me know and I'll add it to this list.

 

[AchedTeacher]

The first few Crusades should not be called against unreformed pagans.

 

[Thure]

The first few Crusades should not be called against unreformed pagans.

Why not? If the circumstances are right this would make sense.

 

[klopkr]

The first few Crusades should not be called against unreformed pagans.

I agree. Unreformed pagans are not a threat normally and we shouldn't see christians or Muslims eating up all their land because crusades or jihads are triggered. They should at least not trigger until beyond 1066.

 

[Jorlem]

For the unreformed pagan thing, why not keep track of what triggered the start of the crusader era? If it was the spread of paganism, then the crusades and jihads focus on the pagans. However, if the crusades are triggered, for example, by the fall of Constantinople to the Muslims, then the crusades focus on them. Maybe have seperate triggers for the northern crusades?

Also, I wonder if it might be feasible to permit a sort of micro-crusade if the Muslims start penetrating too far in the CM start. It could act like normal crusades, but wouldn't trigger the crusader era, and once a certain amount of land is retaken, it would untrigger, and any holy orders that were formed then would disband.

On the subject of holy orders, some variant triggers would be nice, to prevent them from forming all at the same time. Maybe make them dependent on crusades having been called (or perhaps lost) for specific regions? For example, following an unsuccessful Crusade in Eastern Europe, the Teutonic Order could be founded. If Christiandom is winning all its Crusades, the Pope might not feel the need to organize additional Holy Orders.

 

[Talq]

making a few of the north african triggers 'have two of' and add additional nearly provinces should mitigate the risk of rebellions triggering jihads early.

Spacing out the Catholic holy orders substantially if they triggered before 1066 is also a good idea (part of the problem is that there are 5 of them, and they aren't balanced to be tossed at what people are likely to have in the 800-900s).

 

[AchedTeacher]

For the unreformed pagan thing, why not keep track of what triggered the start of the crusader era? If it was the spread of paganism, then the crusades and jihads focus on the pagans. However, if the crusades are triggered, for example, by the fall of Constantinople to the Muslims, then the crusades focus on them. Maybe have seperate triggers for the northern crusades?

Also, I wonder if it might be feasible to permit a sort of micro-crusade if the Muslims start penetrating too far in the CM start. It could act like normal crusades, but wouldn't trigger the crusader era, and once a certain amount of land is retaken, it would untrigger, and any holy orders that were formed then would disband.

On the subject of holy orders, some variant triggers would be nice, to prevent them from forming all at the same time. Maybe make them dependent on crusades having been called (or perhaps lost) for specific regions? For example, following an unsuccessful Crusade in Eastern Europe, the Teutonic Order could be founded. If Christiandom is winning all its Crusades, the Pope might not feel the need to organize additional Holy Orders.

If the game worked properly, Muslims would be the greatest threat to Christendom, not unreformed pagans. Now I can see once pagans reform how they will become a unified threat, but before? I don't think so.

 

[Thure]

If the game worked properly, Muslims would be the greatest threat to Christendom, not unreformed pagans. Now I can see once pagans reform how they will become a unified threat, but before? I don't think so.

If they spread enough to hold Canterbury or keep Braunschweig... Why not? The game is about alternate history. And it could have happened.

 

[Talq]

If they have the technology they could reduce Hungary's weight if non-christian (which I think is the main problem, they get triggered by something trivial and the pope decides to attack tengri hungary for no apparent reason) - if they are triggered by norse intrusion there's no reason why there shouldn't be push back (except for the push back being at a level tribes can't really handle now)